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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how Jay Bruce has anything to do with Josh Hamilton. The Reds are going to needs some bats next year, really bad, if they don't lock up Dunn. I'm afraid they are not going to. I guess we should all, including myself, move on, because Josh isn't coming back and Edinson is a very good pitcher.
    We keep mentioning Bruce because he is an in-house replacement for the lost production (should the team ever bring him up...),


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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    1. i thought Dunn should have gone instead of Hamilton. mainly due to Hamilton's strong defense. an outfield of Bruce-Patterson-Hamilton would have been awesome defensively! i have been told by several posters there was 'no way' we could have gotten someone like Volquez for dunn.

    2. we did get a pitcher back who looks very good

    3. it is water under the bridge. kinda like 'the trade'.

    Dunn had a no trade contract to about June 15, 2008.

    And it didn't matter.Texas wanted a very good OF who was cheap.

    They wanted Hamilton.

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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how Jay Bruce has anything to do with Josh Hamilton.
    Bruce's long term postion with the Reds is RF.

    Hamilton does not project tobe a long term answer in CF either.

    Therefore, Hamilton would likely eventually play LF for the Reds.

    That's the connection.

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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    I make the trade 100 times out of 100.

    Having said that, I don't think its a good idea to evaluate a trade before each respective player cools down from their hot start.

    Lets see where we're at 1 year from now.
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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    Loved Hamilton then, love him now...still wear his jersey I bought last year, and with great pride...but would make this trade again 100 out of 100 times...and would do it even if Volquez had Cueto's numbers...


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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    No.

    I like Hamilton but the Reds need Volquez more than Hamilton IMO.

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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Dunn had a no trade contract to about June 15, 2008.

    And it didn't matter.Texas wanted a very good OF who was cheap.

    They wanted Hamilton.
    Yep and it can't be said enough, Dunn would not have brought what Hamilton brought and to say he would have and Krivsky is to blame for not doing so is just bunk.
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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    I'd take Hamilton. I knew I'd be in the vast minority.. I agree with JPup.. true 5 tool players that are potential MVPs are just as hard to get as starting pitchers.

    I know people are worried about Josh being fragile, but long term, on average, position players are always a better bet to stay healthy than starting pitchers (on average).

    Part of the reason that we've had this 6 game winning streak is because Dunn has really gotten hot. That's what an impact bat can do for a team.. Yes, Dunn didn't do it all himself, but he was a big contributor. I'd love to have Hamilton on this team.

    That said, I consider the trade a tossup at this point. Not saying it was a bad trade. I'd just prefer to have Hamilton.
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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Volquez pitches every 5 days. Hamilton plays everyday. He is more valuable IMO.
    So you're essentially comparing what Volquez does every start, aka every 5 days, to what Hamilton does over a 5 day period, aka the time between each Volquez start.

    If you don't look at it that way, then pitchers lose value completely (especially starters) b/c they only get the ball once every 5th day, whereas position players play everyday.

    Right?

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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    I know Beckett was more established when he was traded to the Red Sox, but do you think the Sox would even think twice about giving up Hanley Ramirez for Beckett again?

    Dominate pitching > great offense

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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    So you're essentially comparing what Volquez does every start, aka every 5 days, to what Hamilton does over a 5 day period, aka the time between each Volquez start.

    If you don't look at it that way, then pitchers lose value completely (especially starters) b/c they only get the ball once every 5th day, whereas position players play everyday.

    Right?
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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    Volquez has put together a solid body of work in 2008, thus far.

    We know what he's done every 5th day, but what's Josh Hamilton done every 5th day? Glad you asked...

    Code:
    Josh Hamilton "Every 5th Day"
    
    March 31st - April 5th
    AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPS	AVG
    19	2	6	2	1	1	5	3	4	.409	.684	1.093	.316
    
    April 6th - April 11th
    AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPS	AVG
    21	2	5	1	0	1	6	0	1	.238	.429	.667	.238
    
    April 12th - April 16th
    AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPS	AVG
    21	4	8	2	0	1	4	5	2	.500	.619	1.119	.381
    
    April 17th - April 21st
    AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPS	AVG
    21	3	6	2	0	1	4	0	3	.286	.524	.810	.296
    
    April 22nd - April 26th
    AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPS	AVG
    19	2	7	2	0	0	6	3	3	.455	.474	.929	.368
    
    April 27th - May 2nd
    AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPS	AVG
    21	3	6	1	0	2	7	0	2	.286	.619	.905	.286
    
    May 3rd - May 7th
    AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPS	AVG
    15	1	2	0	0	1	4	2	5	.211	.333	.544	.133
    
    May 8th - May 12th
    AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPS	AVG
    23	5	9	3	1	1	7	2	4	.440	.739	1.179	.391
    
    May 13th - May 17th
    AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPS	AVG
    15	5	7	0	1	2	6	2	0	.529	1.000	1.529	.467
    If you look at the 5 day groupings of what Hamilton's done thus far in 2008, he clearly has had some successes, but also has had two "bad starts". His 5 day samplings from April 6th thru April 11th, and May 3rd thru May 7th were not his best.

    The amazing part of the numbers that Hamilton's put up in 2008 to this point also include 8 games where he took an O for, and failed to walk in the same game.

    Draw what you will from this, but I think this shows that Hamilton for Volquez has been that unicorn of a trade known as an "even swap".

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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    I'm pretty sure he'll be out of the lineup again tonight. It'll be interesting to watch and track this injury as it pertains to not only now, but the future as well.

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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    Four pages on this thread and only one mention of Herrera in the deal. He has done a wonderful job this year. So when this trade is analyzed we need to include him in the discussion. It wasn't only Volquez that the Reds picked up.
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    Re: Would you take back the Josh Hamilton trade if you could?

    No.

    I would have rather tried to trade Griffey or Dunn rather than Hamilton though.


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