I make the trade 100 times out of 100.
Having said that, I don't think its a good idea to evaluate a trade before each respective player cools down from their hot start.
Lets see where we're at 1 year from now.
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Loved Hamilton then, love him now...still wear his jersey I bought last year, and with great pride...but would make this trade again 100 out of 100 times...and would do it even if Volquez had Cueto's numbers...
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I like Hamilton but the Reds need Volquez more than Hamilton IMO.
I'd take Hamilton. I knew I'd be in the vast minority.. I agree with JPup.. true 5 tool players that are potential MVPs are just as hard to get as starting pitchers.
I know people are worried about Josh being fragile, but long term, on average, position players are always a better bet to stay healthy than starting pitchers (on average).
Part of the reason that we've had this 6 game winning streak is because Dunn has really gotten hot. That's what an impact bat can do for a team.. Yes, Dunn didn't do it all himself, but he was a big contributor. I'd love to have Hamilton on this team.
That said, I consider the trade a tossup at this point. Not saying it was a bad trade. I'd just prefer to have Hamilton.
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So you're essentially comparing what Volquez does every start, aka every 5 days, to what Hamilton does over a 5 day period, aka the time between each Volquez start.
If you don't look at it that way, then pitchers lose value completely (especially starters) b/c they only get the ball once every 5th day, whereas position players play everyday.
Right?
I know Beckett was more established when he was traded to the Red Sox, but do you think the Sox would even think twice about giving up Hanley Ramirez for Beckett again?
Dominate pitching > great offense
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Volquez has put together a solid body of work in 2008, thus far.
We know what he's done every 5th day, but what's Josh Hamilton done every 5th day? Glad you asked...
If you look at the 5 day groupings of what Hamilton's done thus far in 2008, he clearly has had some successes, but also has had two "bad starts". His 5 day samplings from April 6th thru April 11th, and May 3rd thru May 7th were not his best.Code:Josh Hamilton "Every 5th Day" March 31st - April 5th AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS AVG 19 2 6 2 1 1 5 3 4 .409 .684 1.093 .316 April 6th - April 11th AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS AVG 21 2 5 1 0 1 6 0 1 .238 .429 .667 .238 April 12th - April 16th AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS AVG 21 4 8 2 0 1 4 5 2 .500 .619 1.119 .381 April 17th - April 21st AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS AVG 21 3 6 2 0 1 4 0 3 .286 .524 .810 .296 April 22nd - April 26th AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS AVG 19 2 7 2 0 0 6 3 3 .455 .474 .929 .368 April 27th - May 2nd AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS AVG 21 3 6 1 0 2 7 0 2 .286 .619 .905 .286 May 3rd - May 7th AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS AVG 15 1 2 0 0 1 4 2 5 .211 .333 .544 .133 May 8th - May 12th AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS AVG 23 5 9 3 1 1 7 2 4 .440 .739 1.179 .391 May 13th - May 17th AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS AVG 15 5 7 0 1 2 6 2 0 .529 1.000 1.529 .467
The amazing part of the numbers that Hamilton's put up in 2008 to this point also include 8 games where he took an O for, and failed to walk in the same game.
Draw what you will from this, but I think this shows that Hamilton for Volquez has been that unicorn of a trade known as an "even swap".
I'm pretty sure he'll be out of the lineup again tonight. It'll be interesting to watch and track this injury as it pertains to not only now, but the future as well.
Four pages on this thread and only one mention of Herrera in the deal. He has done a wonderful job this year. So when this trade is analyzed we need to include him in the discussion. It wasn't only Volquez that the Reds picked up.
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I would have rather tried to trade Griffey or Dunn rather than Hamilton though.
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