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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    He is the MVP of the team.

    He's behind Dunn, Volquez, and he's in the mix with Kepp and Cordero.


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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nasty_Boy View Post
    He's behind Dunn, Volquez, and he's in the mix with Kepp and Cordero.

    I know "Chicks" dig the longball, but Dunn's homers aren't MVP worthy. He's still hitting under .200 with RISP. He chokes when it counts. His defense is forgetable. He's Dave Kingman at best. Dunn's play is rarely the reason that the REDS' win games. It's more often the reason the REDS' lose games.

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Volquez and Keppinger. However, lately Dunn has taken the place of Keppinger since being put on the DL.

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishDavidKY View Post
    Volquez and Keppinger. However, lately Dunn has taken the place of Keppinger since being put on the DL.

    Yes, and Nasty Boy, I'd give Dunn MVP for May.

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    I know "Chicks" dig the longball, but Dunn's homers aren't MVP worthy. He's still hitting under .200 with RISP. He chokes when it counts. His defense is forgetable. He's Dave Kingman at best. Dunn's play is rarely the reason that the REDS' win games. It's more often the reason the REDS' lose games.
    Maybe I am mistaken, but to say Dunn doesn't deliver in big spots a week after he hits a walk off against the indians, and on the west coast trip goes deep in the first game to give the reds a lead against LA when the defense and Arroyo let this team down and then hits a homerun off of hoffman to win the game then gives the reds a lead yesterday with a homerun. I think Dunn backers over value how good he is, but Dunn bashers try to convice you that the reason this team loses is not because of the lousy bullpen or starting pitching its because of Dunn. I come down with the dunn backers on this one.
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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by kfm View Post
    Maybe I am mistaken, but to say Dunn doesn't deliver in big spots a week after he hits a walk off against the indians, and on the west coast trip goes deep in the first game to give the reds a lead against LA when the defense and Arroyo let this team down and then hits a homerun off of hoffman to win the game then gives the reds a lead yesterday with a homerun. I think Dunn backers over value how good he is, but Dunn bashers try to convice you that the reason this team loses is not because of the lousy bullpen or starting pitching its because of Dunn. I come down with the dunn backers on this one.
    The post above you said that I would give Dunn the MVP for May. Apology accepted.

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    I know "Chicks" dig the longball, but Dunn's homers aren't MVP worthy. He's still hitting under .200 with RISP. He chokes when it counts. His defense is forgetable. He's Dave Kingman at best. Dunn's play is rarely the reason that the REDS' win games. It's more often the reason the REDS' lose games.
    Actually, he is right in line with today's best players as to home runs when needed (i.e. the game is close) and hr's with men on base.

    He's considerably better than Dave Kingman, and as has been stated a billion times, he's cut his K rate, increased his BB rate, all from the 7 spot with no one behind him, and his defense has improved this year...

    I think you've got it backwards as to the fact that he's rarely the reason that the Reds lose, and more often the reason that they win...

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    I can think of a game in Wrigley that Votto single-handedly won for us.

    For the most part I think it has been Phillips, Dunn, Volquez, and Votto.
    "YES! He rips it. Is it high enough? It's gonna be gone! Adam Dunn has done it again. Big #44 can take all day to round the bases here, thats done and gone- lookout dunner they're waitin for ya at home plate." - George Grand

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    wow, I see Volquez's name in almost every post and yet some people still think the trade was a bad idea.

    I would also have to say Dunn, Volquez, Cordero and Bako. I think Cordero and Bako have done a great job with the development of the young pitchers and Bako has done a great job calling the game with the Reds young pitchers.

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Dunn is starting to turn it on as the true most important player on this team. As Dunn goes so go the Reds. It's going to be interesting if he wants to give the Reds an I'm comfortable with this team semi discount. If not then we sign him before he is an FA or he walks. I just see the Red Sox saying bye bye Manny and hello Adam. He would fit in well there and be a great replacement for the aging Ramirez.

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    I know "Chicks" dig the longball, but Dunn's homers aren't MVP worthy. He's still hitting under .200 with RISP. He chokes when it counts. His defense is forgetable. He's Dave Kingman at best. Dunn's play is rarely the reason that the REDS' win games. It's more often the reason the REDS' lose games.
    Dunn, in his worst season, was better than Dave Kingman. Its not even close. I don't know how you can say that, other than you hate the guy and don't care how wrong you are.

    In fact, this entire post is complete garbage. Oh, what's that? He's hitting under .200 w/ RISP? Well, guess what? Now he's hitting .256/.397/.558 . I guess in the 3 days since you typed that he's morphed into the greatest clutch hitter since whoever the last guy is that you think was a great clutch hitter. "He chokes when it counts." Yeah, him and everyone else who has ever played a game where even the great ones fail 7/10 times.

    Rarely the reason the Reds win games, more often the reason they lose them? Prove it. Oh, wait. YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE ITS NOT TRUE.
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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    I think that this season should just show that Dunn will be Dunn. Not the best player in the league but at the right price, the right man in left field. Now Bruce needs to replace Jr next year.

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    Dunn, in his worst season, was better than Dave Kingman. Its not even close. I don't know how you can say that, other than you hate the guy and don't care how wrong you are.

    In fact, this entire post is complete garbage. Oh, what's that? He's hitting under .200 w/ RISP? Well, guess what? Now he's hitting .256/.397/.558 . I guess in the 3 days since you typed that he's morphed into the greatest clutch hitter since whoever the last guy is that you think was a great clutch hitter. "He chokes when it counts." Yeah, him and everyone else who has ever played a game where even the great ones fail 7/10 times.

    Rarely the reason the Reds win games, more often the reason they lose them? Prove it. Oh, wait. YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE ITS NOT TRUE.
    What good does it do to bat .256 when you hit .200 over your entire career with RISP?

    He's been fantastic this May and this should be the best year of his Major League career, as he is 28 years old. Enjoy what he does this year, as it should be a good one.

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    I would like to see more runners get on base in front of Dunn, just to see what he could do over a season, given the opportunity. In my mind, he seems to be more of a solo shot type of slugger, but I don't know that that is a reflection on the team's poor OBP in general, or that he is such a poor "clutch" hitter. I also fail to see how it is appropriate that any member could say that any other member's post is complete garbage.

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    Re: Which players are mostly responsible for our 22 wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by aerontg View Post
    I would like to see more runners get on base in front of Dunn, just to see what he could do over a season, given the opportunity. In my mind, he seems to be more of a solo shot type of slugger, but I don't know that that is a reflection on the team's poor OBP in general, or that he is such a poor "clutch" hitter. I also fail to see how it is appropriate that any member could say that any other member's post is complete garbage.
    I suppose I'll just post this in every thread that has the name Dunn in it until this finally gets understood...

    He hits HR's with men on base just as well as any other slugger in recent history...

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...63#post1607563

    113/252 now, for 44.84%


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