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    Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?


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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    I'm not sured "screwed" is the appropriate word but without a doubt they are willing to put a lot more money on the table for the Red Sox than they were for the Reds.
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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Yep.... and the Reds in their rush to judgment, screwed their fans.... just think if THIS was a shared facility.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    The extra money is being paid for by a "hotel bed tax."

    Everybody knows that Bostonians sleep a lot more than Cincinnatians do.

    I think the belief is that they will sell out each and every game that Boston plays in a 12,000 seat stadium.
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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    Yep.... and the Reds in their rush to judgment, screwed their fans.... just think if THIS was a shared facility.
    Well, I have never been to Florida for a Reds game.....but I will go to many Reds games in Arizona.....so I will hold up my end.
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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    Yep.... and the Reds in their rush to judgment, screwed their fans....
    if Sarasota had put a deal anything like this on the table for the Reds they wouldn't be leaving. I think the point is that Sarasota really wasn't all that interested in keeping the Reds.
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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    if Sarasota had put a deal anything like this on the table for the Reds they wouldn't be leaving. I think the point is that Sarasota really wasn't all that interested in keeping the Reds.
    If Cincinnati were looking for a baseball team, and you heard they were talking to the Pirates and the Red Sox, which would you root for?
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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Quote Originally Posted by red-in-la View Post
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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsrule2500 View Post
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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Maybe the Reds thought they were the ones doing the jilting, while Sarasota was secretly letting the relationship die of neglect with an eye toward someone better coming along?

    Visitor taxes are the new "cool" way to pay for sports facilities without angering voters. Pretty soon, no one will be able to afford to rent hotel rooms and vehicles when they travel, thanks to all of the stadiums and arenas those purchases are subsidizing. If anyone got the shaft in this deal it's the people who'll no longer be able to afford to visit Sarasota.
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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Nothing surprising here. This is politics as usual. Typically after a team "calls a city's bluff" and actually leaves, the city offers much more money to lure a new team there. In the NFL we saw it over and over with Cleveland, Houston and St Louis. Add to that the fact that the Red Sox sell out most if not all their games in City of Palms Park and it all makes sense. If this goes through expect City of Palms and Collier County to offer more to lure another team than they did to keep the Red Sox.

    I'll also add that I don't think John Allen was a good negotiator representing the Reds either. I think he could have handled Sarasota better and it should also be noted that the Bengals got a much better deal from Hamilton County than the Reds did.

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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    it should also be noted that the Bengals got a much better deal from Hamilton County than the Reds did.
    because the Bengals actually had some leverage(Baltimore, etc) while the Reds had no leverage, they weren't going anywhere.
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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    "The initial response is that the Red Sox would bring more of an impact," said Virginia Haley, president of the Sarasota Convention & Visitors Bureau. "So it seems like there would be more consideration for the Red Sox than other baseball teams or a different entertainment venue."
    It's hard to argue that the Red Sox wouldn't attract more fans than the Reds.

    Also, my feeling is that the Reds' hardball, demanding approach probably rubbed the local politicians the wrong way. John Allen was never known for his negotiation ability or diplomacy.. I guess the town figured that if they had to build a new park, might as well get a marque name. Can't say that I blame them for telling the Reds to kiss off after the Reds hardballed them.
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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    because the Bengals actually had some leverage(Baltimore, etc) while the Reds had no leverage, they weren't going anywhere.
    That's part of it but there's also the part that John Allen is no Mike Brown when it comes to negotiating contracts

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    Re: Did the Reds get screwed by Sarasota?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    if Sarasota had put a deal anything like this on the table for the Reds they wouldn't be leaving. I think the point is that Sarasota really wasn't all that interested in keeping the Reds.
    It would seem that way. The Red Sox sell out ST games. I know people who buy scalped tickets just to get into those games. So I can see where Sarasota's coming from. If you pay big money for the Red Sox, you're going to get a fairly massive influx of attendees. Also, you've got to figure that a Red Sox affiliate will draw well at a top facility in Florida (which would leave the Cali League Lancaster JetHawks without an affiliation).

    The sub-lesson is never put John Allen in charge of anything, not even a trip to the bathroom. He clearly took the easiest option and never put much effort into possible better options.
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