Zack Greinke?

[edabbs44]

The only player I would want to hang on to would be Mesoraco, but I'd pretty much give them whatever they wanted for ZG.

Imagine the hysteria that would have ensued if you said this 4 months ago?

[backbencher]

You'd have to be daft not to throw the kitchen sink at the Royals for Greinke. It's not something that a sensible person would even pause to consider. Which is why it's so unlikely to happen.

I agree with all of this.

[Scrap Irony]

KC would likely want Mesoraco, Alonso, Wood, Heisey, and Chapman for Grienke.
For starters.

I would hesitate to do that, honestly.

While I recognize the talent of Grienke, I would struggle to give up that much for him.

[edabbs44]

KC would likely want Mesoraco, Alonso, Wood, Heisey, and Chapman for Grienke.
For starters.

I would hesitate to do that, honestly.

While I recognize the talent of Grienke, I would struggle to give up that much for him.

I don't think it would take that much.

[Mario-Rijo]

Have to disagree. Frazier is scraping bottom in Louisville, while Francisco continues to put up big power numbers. If I'm rolling the dice on one of these 2 guys, it's the guy who has yet to stumble.

That's fair but I look more at projectability and personally while Frazier is struggling this season I still believe he will have a better major league career. In my eyes Frazier could conceivably have issues at the plate (though I think he'll work them out) but Francisco is without a doubt gonna have issues and I don't believe he will work them out. JMO but despite the production Frazier is still the better prospect.

[Scrap Irony]

I don't think it would take that much.

I'm guessing that's what KC is asking for at the least. (Though, obviously, I have no clue what they're offering, nor does anyone else.)

But for the best pitcher in the game, that's what I'd ask for and I'd not bat an eye if anyone said no thanks.

(That deal, BTW, would make the Royals AL Central contenders as early as next season, assuming they also took Greinke's money-- along with that of Guillien and DeJesus-- and spent it wisely on the FA market.)

You could go:

Betemit 2B
Heisey CF
Butler 1B
Dunn DH
Werth RF
Gordon 3B
Alonso LF
Mesoraco C
Aviles SS

That's a team with some serious pop in a park that supports homers. Dunn may cost some coin, but I don't think he'll cost what he's worth. A four-year, $50 million deal gets it done. Werth is likely around the same. Everyone else is cheap, young, and talented.

Rotation
Bannister
Chapman
Wood
Meche
Davies
Average, blah, and hope for the fuure. But both Wood and Chapman could be ace-like, and Bannister and Meche may be decent options as BOR starters. Maybe Davies finds his MOR arm? Perhaps.

[Mario-Rijo]

I'm guessing that's what KC is asking for at the least. (Though, obviously, I have no clue what they're offering, nor does anyone else.)

But for the best pitcher in the game, that's what I'd ask for and I'd not bat an eye if anyone said no thanks.

(That deal, BTW, would make the Royals AL Central contenders as early as next season, assuming they also took Greinke's money-- along with that of Guillien and DeJesus-- and spent it wisely on the FA market.)

You could go:

Betemit 2B
Heisey CF
Butler 1B
Dunn DH
Werth RF
Gordon 3B
Alonso LF
Mesoraco C
Aviles SS

That's a team with some serious pop in a park that supports homers. Dunn may cost some coin, but I don't think he'll cost what he's worth. A four-year, $50 million deal gets it done. Werth is likely around the same. Everyone else is cheap, young, and talented.

Rotation
Bannister
Chapman
Wood
Meche
Davies
Average, blah, and hope for the fuure. But both Wood and Chapman could be ace-like, and Bannister and Meche may be decent options as BOR starters. Maybe Davies finds his MOR arm? Perhaps.

IF (a really big if) they are actually listening on him there is a reason otherwise they would just scoff at any and all offers. So because of that reason (probably know they can't afford him long term) there is a package out there they would accept for him and I would lay money it's less than what you have suggested. Has there ever been a package for any player that large both quantitively or qualitively? No matter what they ask for they will get an outstanding package for him and I bet it doesn't come close to that package.

Of course alot of that is ones perception of each of those players and any good GM worth his salt is gonna "sell" these guys on their ultimate upside and whether folks want to believe it or not Alonso does have a fairly high ceiling so him and Chapman alone are 2 potentially large chips if spun on time and correctly. They can be thee 2 players you build a team around, a legit LH ace and a LH #3 hole hitting slugger.

[TheNext44]

KC would likely want Mesoraco, Alonso, Wood, Heisey, and Chapman for Grienke.
For starters.

I would hesitate to do that, honestly.

While I recognize the talent of Grienke, I would struggle to give up that much for him.

The Royals gave up prospects for Yuniesky Betancourt and his big contract, signed Kyle Farnsworth, Jose Gullion, and Juan Cruz to long term expensive deals.

I agree that if you or I were the GM of the Royals, we would ask for that big of a package for Grienke. But luckily, Drayton Moore is the GM, so I wouldn't be surprised if he asks Jocketty for Gomes, Janish, Gary Matthews jr., and Herrera for Greinke.

[Homer Bailey]

For the 50,000th time... Chapman doesn't have trade value!

[dougdirt]

For the 50,000th time... Chapman doesn't have trade value!

For the first time.... yes he does. Lefty who can hit 102 and is in AAA striking out a ton of guys.... yeah, that guy most certainly has trade value even if he is getting paid a few million.

[Mario-Rijo]

The Royals gave up prospects for Yuniesky Betancourt and his big contract, signed Kyle Farnsworth, Jose Gullion, and Juan Cruz to long term expensive deals.

I agree that if you or I were the GM of the Royals, we would ask for that big of a package for Grienke. But luckily, Drayton Moore is the GM, so I wouldn't be surprised if he asks Jocketty for Gomes, Janish, Gary Matthews jr., and Herrera for Greinke.

Right we could really lay an offer out to him that I would imagine would blow his mind and be called a win for them but in reality not have one player pan out (to their perceived value), kind of like the Jr package Seattle got.

Bailey, Francisco, Heisey, Valaika and IDK say JC Sulbaran or Boxberger. Looks like a haul but in reality you get a couple solid but perhaps marginal starters in Valaika and Heisey a potentially good arm (needing developed) in one of the younger guys and 2 others whose odds aren't great at ever turning out. Those kinds of deals I do all day long.

[TheNext44]

For the 50,000th time... Chapman doesn't have trade value!

Why not?

So if the Reds offered Chapman to the Braves for David Ross the Braves would say no?

[Homer Bailey]

Why not?

So if the Reds offered Chapman to the Braves for David Ross the Braves would say no?

For the first time.... yes he does. Lefty who can hit 102 and is in AAA striking out a ton of guys.... yeah, that guy most certainly has trade value even if he is getting paid a few million.

Have we learned anything knew about him that we didn't know in January? Any team could have had him for the current contract, and no one else offered that. Why would any other team give up players AND pay Chapman that amount?

If he had made significant progress, and turned out to be much better than everyone thought he was before he signed, I could understand, but I don't believe that is the case.

Talent wise, of course he has value. But that contract makes his trade value very low.

[LoganBuck]

I would do dirty things in order to get Greinke on this team.

Zack Greinke
Kyle Farnsworth
Jose Guillen
No cash sent so that is 7.9 Million off the KC books+ $26 Million in future commitments to Greinke, +$.5 Million buyout for Farnsworth

In exchange for

Alonso
Maloney
Heisey
Valliquette
Klinker
Sutton

[dougdirt]

Have we learned anything knew about him that we didn't know in January? Any team could have had him for the current contract, and no one else offered that. Why would any other team give up players AND pay Chapman that amount?

If he had made significant progress, and turned out to be much better than everyone thought he was before he signed, I could understand, but I don't believe that is the case.

Talent wise, of course he has value. But that contract makes his trade value very low.

We have learned a little bit, yes. We also know that the Reds have already paid some of his salary. Not much, but his money owed is now less than it was before the year and a team still controls him for 6 years.