Let's get this thread back on topic, please. If you'd like to continue the side debates that have nothing to do with Jay Bruce being called up, start a new thread.
For the record, I've been a massive Bruce booster for years ( I know, huge stretch). And I'm excited as heck to see him play. No pessimism for him.
I just ordered my Bruce jersey online. 2-3 weeks before it gets here. I'm hoping it gets here before the series with the Yanks. I'm definitely excited about JB.
I just hope his plate discipline increases, but he's still young so that should hopefully come with time.
Reds set to bring up prospect Bruce
Touted outfielder was leading International League in batting
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com
CINCINNATI -- The time is finally now for Jay Bruce.
Bruce, considered the consensus top prospect in all of professional baseball, will be promoted to the Reds from Triple-A Louisville on Tuesday and make his Major League debut in Cincinnati against the Pirates.
In 49 games with Louisville this season, Bruce led the International League with a .364 batting average and 67 hits. The outfielder also had 10 home runs, 37 RBIs and an on-base plus slugging percentage of 1.023.
Since May 3, Bruce was batting .456 (36-for-79), with 13 multihit games in his past 20.
This season, it was never a question of if Bruce would be called up, but when.
"He was ready for some time, but we wanted to give him more time and give more opportunities to the guys we have here," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. "When Jay comes up, he'll play a lot. We wouldn't bring him up and not play him."
The Reds were off on Monday after returning from a seven-day West Coast road trip. A corresponding roster move to make room for Bruce will be announced before Tuesday's series opener at Great American Ball Park.
Bruce, the Reds' first-round Draft pick in 2005, will become the regular center fielder. It's been an unsettled spot with leadoff batter Corey Patterson batting just .201 with a .242 on-base percentage. Ryan Freel has played well when in center field but will remain in a utility role.
The struggling Patterson could be the likely candidate to come off the roster, especially after he went 0-for-8 in Sunday's 18-inning loss at San Diego. But the wheels were already in motion to promote Bruce before the weekend.
"It's something we've been discussing during the road trip," Jocketty said. "We just didn't see any sense in bringing him to California for a couple of days. So we decided to wait until we got back."
Where Bruce bats in the lineup will be up to manager Dusty Baker, who tried the prospect in the leadoff spot during a few exhibition games during Spring Training. Bruce is considered a five-tool player. After he was cut from the club at Spring Training, he was told to improve his baserunning skills.
The only other issue Bruce has is his high strikeout rate. He struck out 45 times in 184 at-bats this season. But the Reds are comfortable enough to let him improve his plate discipline at the big league level.
Other than at Spring Training this year, Jocketty hadn't seen Bruce play in a game until last Sunday, when he visited Louisville. In that game, Bruce went 2-for-4 with a home run. The two also spent some time talking.
"It just confirmed what everyone had been telling me," Jocketty said of Bruce's skills. "You like to see guys from the organization that are good kids get an opportunity. He certainly has earned it."
Good news; he will be starting every day in center field. That makes it extremely likely Patterson will be the corresponding roster move.
But compare the team pitching numbers
Cincy pitching allows: 270 BA against, 337 OBP against, 442 slg against (779 OPS)
ST Louis allows: 257 BA against, 319 OBP against, 401 SLG against (720 OPS)
The Reds simply allow more hits and more extra base hits. That's why they give up more runs. Strikeouts by pitchers are great, but as a whole, this team gives up a lot of hits and bases beyond HRs.
I think FIP is way overrated as "The" measuring stick. It makes a guy like Burton who sometimes strikes out a lot of people look a lot better than he really is. Because there's some days where Burton gets hit hard, which causes the opposition to score runs, regardless of how many K and BB he has.
Sure, the Reds defense could be better, but the truth is, we have some bad and mediocre pitching along with the good pitching..
Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
The Reds have nothing to lose. Good move, good timing. Wish i could make it to the game to watch.
Cedric 3/24/08It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
I used to have a little league coach similar to the one you described. He would practice us at 10:00 in the morning during the summers for All-Stars and then have us come back at 8:00 at night and practice under the lights. Some might think it was too much but I loved it. It's baseball man. I miss it badly. I'm 21 now so I can't play anymore except for soft pitch softball, which I'm thinking about doing next year.
Reds promote Bruce - finally
By Hal McCoy | Monday, May 26, 2008, 05:40 PM
Jay Bruce is coming. Finally. For real.
The 21-year-old outfielder will be in uniform 32 with the Cincinnati Reds Tuesday when they open a three-game series with ther Pirates.
And it made me a prophet. I told Marty Brennaman during a second-inning visit in Los Angeles on the just complete 2-5 trip to the west coast that I thought he would materialize when the Reds returned home.
After losing an 18-inning game Sunday to the last place San Diego Padres, and watching Corey Patterson go 0 for 8, the Reds decided it was time to call up their No. 1 draft pick from 2005 who is wreaking havoc on Triple-A pitching.
General manager Walt Jocketty said all along that they wouldn’t call him up until they decided he would play.
So…let’s see if he is in Tuesday’s lineup. They say his position isn’t center field, but it isn’t likely they’ll bench left fielder Adam Dunn or right fielder Ken Griffey Jr. If he plays - and why else would they call him up - he’ll be in center.
Scouts tell me he CAN play center field. While he doesn’t have great speed, he gets good jumps on balls and gets to them. That’s all he needs to do, right?
Amazingly, I was dragging myself in the back door of my house after flying all day from San Diego when the phone rang with the news.
I left at 6:30 (9:30 Dayton time) and flew four hours to Atlanta, had a 90-minute layover, than an hour-and-a-half flight to Dayton, arriving home at 5 p.m.
Tired? Oh, yeah. But excited over the prospect of finally seeing Mr. Bruce in the flesh for the first time since spring training.
Bruce has been rated the best prospect in the minor leagues by Baseball America, Sporting News, most scouts, anybody with good baseball sense and fans of the Reds since last year.
He has spent the season at Louisville, where in 49 games he hit .364 with nine doubles, five triples, 10 HR, 37 RBIs and eight stolen bases.
He leads the International League in hitting and hits (67) and ranks among the IL leaders in slugging percentage (.630, 3rd), runs scored (34, 4th), extra-base hits (24, T4th) and RBI (T5th).
All that was wasted in the minors. Now it’s time to put those numbers to good use.
A roster move to make room for Bruce will be made before Tuesday’s game.
"...You just have a wider lens than one game."
--Former Reds GM Wayne Krivsky, on why he didn't fly Josh Hamilton to Colorado for one game.
"...its money well-spent. Don't screw around with your freedom."
--Roy Tucker, on why you need to lawyer up when you find yourself swimming with sharks.
"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."
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