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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Then what are you doing?
    Suggesting a guy with significantly above average Krate, BBrate and K/BB as a starter in his rookie season does't need to spend three more seasons in the minors before he'll be a "mlb starter".....

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    And why do I have no credibility by believing that a pitcher of Cueto's size and stature will likely take till his 25 year season to perform with some consistency?
    Because, your new argument is a strange one. His size and stature would argue against his chances to even become a starter given major league tradition. Why would another three years allow him to pitch like he's got a better downward plane and the durability of a 6'2", 230 lb guy?????

    What you did is what you do with all "prospects". You predict failure as a general rule while failing to consider specifics. That may mean you're "right" more often than not, especially with pitchers, but it's not a terribly informative stance and it certainly doesn't support statements like Harang will need to be extended if he's to be a rotation partner with Cueto.

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    You said I have no credibility based on that. But yeah, the strawman cometh round that goes around, eh?
    You don't and it's not a strawman to argue that you don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    So, you think the Reds have been vitims of really poor luck so far?
    Oh I know the Reds have been victims of poor luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Suggesting a guy with significantly above average Krate, BBrate and K/BB as a starter in his rookie season does't need to spend three more seasons in the minors before he'll be a "mlb starter".....



    Because, your new argument is a strange one. His size and stature would argue against his chances to even become a starter given major league tradition. Why would another three years allow him to pitch like he's got a better downward plane and the durability of a 6'2", 230 lb guy?????

    What you did is what you do with all "prospects". You predict failure as a general rule while failing to consider specifics. That may mean you're "right" more often than not, especially with pitchers, but it's not a terribly informative stance and it certainly doesn't support statements like Harang will need to be extended if he's to be a rotation partner with Cueto.



    You don't and it's not a strawman to argue that you don't.
    Guys fill out. They become stronger. 22 is young.

    And I never predicted failure for Volquez. Not once.

    Captain, I have plenty of credibility. Consistently. Your shifting mirages, parries and dodges in arguments have been your hallmark. You assert something, retract it, try to argue that you never said it.

    *I* have no problem with credibility on these matters. But I don't need your affirmation to establish a baseline of credibility. I have earned it through years of consistent conservative appraisal of talent, and a measured approach to the basic odds of survival in MLB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Nonsense.
    Not even close to being nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Oh I know the Reds have been victims of poor luck.
    Seriously -- I mean, what else but bad luck can explain why the Josh Fogg signing didn't work?
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    When are we going to do something with Hatteberg and bring up Andy Phillips?
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    FWIW, THT +/- has the difference between the Cardinals and Reds defense at 43 runs. Lets take this discussion to my new thread and get back to Jay Bruce...
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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    FWIW, THT +/- has the difference between the Cardinals and Reds defense at 43 runs. Lets take this discussion to my new thread and get back to Jay Bruce...
    Well let me ask you this:

    What's responsible for a high line drive rate? Bad pitching? Bad defense? Bad luck?

    It's a little bit of Column A and a little bit of Column C, but it certainly isn't any of Column B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Well let me ask you this:

    What's responsible for a high line drive rate? Bad pitching? Bad defense? Bad luck?

    It's a little bit of Column A and a little bit of Column C, but it certainly isn't any of Column B.
    A lack of groundballs and flyballs?
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Well let me ask you this:

    What's responsible for a high line drive rate? Bad pitching? Bad defense? Bad luck?

    It's a little bit of Column A and a little bit of Column C, but it certainly isn't any of Column B.
    Cueto would have a 2.00 ERA and an FIP of 1.00 if he had the Cardinals' defense. That much I know.

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    Re: Jay Bruce called up!!!!!

    A quote from our GM on how much playing time Bruce will get:

    He was ready for some time, but we wanted to give him more time and give more opportunities to the guys we have here," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. "When Jay comes up, he'll play a lot. We wouldn't bring him up and not play him.

    A little ambiguous. That could mean he could be starting in the outfield, or that he would be starting on days the regular outfielders need a day off. I will wait and see how Dusty uses him, but it seems like our GM wants to get him considerable playing time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    A quote from our GM on how much playing time Bruce will get:




    A little ambiguous. That could mean he could be starting in the outfield, or that he would be starting on days the regular outfielders need a day off. I will wait and see how Dusty uses him, but it seems like our GM wants to get him considerable playing time.
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    By pulling the trigger on the most significant transaction since the acquisition on KGJ, Walt's a lock for the Reds Hall of Fame.
    What a crafty GM!
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    Re: Jay Bruce called up!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    A quote from our GM on how much playing time Bruce will get:




    A little ambiguous. That could mean he could be starting in the outfield, or that he would be starting on days the regular outfielders need a day off. I will wait and see how Dusty uses him, but it seems like our GM wants to get him considerable playing time.
    To put it bluntly, if Jay Bruce doesn't start at least 25 games per month, the Reds need to fire Dusty Baker.

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    Re: Jay Bruce called up!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
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    but we wanted to give him more time and give more opportunities to the guys we have here," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said.
    Clearly, Walt's been waiting for the latter to fully transpire before acting and that day has finally come.
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