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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    IIRC, you also thought Volquez would end up in the pen and would take some serious lumps.
    I said he "could" end up in the pen. Not that he "would."

    And yeah, he's going to take his lumps. Several folks agree with me in that prediction.

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    FCB: you are completely ignoring the fact that the Reds have the worst defense in MLB when you attempt to analyze the pitching. Perhaps, check the team FIP...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    But that's where your predictions and projections become unmoored from reality--believing that every pitching prospect is likely to meet his ceiling.
    You couldn't mischaracterize my beliefs more grossly in order to construct the vapid straw man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    FCB: you are completely ignoring the fact that the Reds have the worst defense in MLB when you attempt to analyze the pitching. Perhaps, check the team FIP...
    I know the defense needs work too. I'm aware of that. But even with that, there is no way this pitching is any good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I know the defense needs work too. I'm aware of that. But even with that, there is no way this pitching is any good.
    Look at your Cardinals for inspiration. Do you really believe they have better pitchers than the Reds?
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    You couldn't mischaracterize my beliefs more grossly in order to construct the vapid straw man.
    Then what are you doing? And why do I have no credibility by believing that a pitcher of Cueto's size and stature will likely take till his 25 year season to perform with some consistency?

    You said I have no credibility based on that. But yeah, the strawman cometh round that goes around, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Look at your Cardinals for inspiration. Do you really believe they have better pitchers than the Reds?
    Yes. Not by much--and the long-term doesn't look good for their arms, but right now, they're outperforming the Reds' pitchers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I know the defense needs work too. I'm aware of that. But even with that, there is no way this pitching is any good.
    Actually there is. The Reds team FIP is actually better than the league average. They are far and away leading the NL in strikeouts while being better than average in walks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I said he "could" end up in the pen. Not that he "would."

    And yeah, he's going to take his lumps. Several folks agree with me in that prediction.
    Could/Would...whatever. You were definitely more pessimistic than optimistic about Volquez's chances this year and I think it's pretty safe to say that things are going to work out just fine with him this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Could/Would...whatever. You were definitely more pessimistic than optimistic about Volquez's chances this year and I think it's pretty safe to say that things are going to work out just fine with him this season.
    That is patently untrue. Go back to the "Volquez acquired" thread; I was ecstatic about his acquisition. I even softened on Wayne a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Actually there is. The Reds team FIP is actually better than the league average. They are far and away leading the NL in strikeouts while being better than average in walks.
    So we should see results then soon, right?

    Then we shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    That is patently untrue. Go back to the Volquez acquired thread; I was ecstatic about his acquisition. I even softened on Wayne a little bit.
    Oh I'm not saying you didn't like the trade...but you seemed pessimistic about him positively contributing in the rotation this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Yes. Not by much--and the long-term doesn't look good for their arms, but right now, they're outperforming the Reds' pitchers.
    They are not outperforming the Reds pitchers--they just have a better defense behind them...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Oh I'm not saying you didn't like the trade...but you seemed pessimistic about him positively contributing in the rotation this season.
    Not really. It was pretty obvious that he was much further along than Cueto in his preparedness.

    I was merely expressing some doubt about Volquez's control problems; a worst case scenario, I guess. So far he's kept his head out of trouble.

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    Re: Jay Bruce called up!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I know the defense needs work too. I'm aware of that. But even with that, there is no way this pitching is any good.
    The bullpen is bad news -- and that's really been the case since Bowden got canned.

    Harang, Arroyo and Volquez are a pretty decent 1-2-3. Cueto is a work in progress. Belisle has been 3 kinds of terrible.

    They can start to improve pitching by fixing the mess in the corner outfield spots and by never starting Jerry Hairston at SS again. DFA Mike Lincoln and Josh Fogg and replace them with some young hard-throwers. Go shopping in the offseason.

    Things are certainly better than they've been the last 7 or 8 years. At least now they've got 3 rotation spots locked down and the closer spot sewn up.
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