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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    BP has posted their latest today and they have the Reds taking Lawrie at #7...

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=7615

    BTW, BP thinks the Rays will draft a catcher as the number 1 overall.
    BP either knows something that no one else does, or that mock draft is complete crap. They have several teams (like the Reds) taking huge risks in the top 10. No way some of the top guys like Smoak fall as far as BP is saying.


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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    BP either knows something that no one else does, or that mock draft is complete crap. They have several teams (like the Reds) taking huge risks in the top 10. No way some of the top guys like Smoak fall as far as BP is saying.
    FWIW - Jim Callis of Baseball America has been nearly spot on the last 4 years with his mock drafts he does the morning of.

    I think it was 2 years ago he got nearly everyone right.

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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19 View Post
    FWIW - Jim Callis of Baseball America has been nearly spot on the last 4 years with his mock drafts he does the morning of.

    I think it was 2 years ago he got nearly everyone right.
    The problem with Callis' mock draft is that it comes out like 1 hour before the first pick. Mock drafts are pretty much useless at that point. I wish they'd put out a weekly mock leading up to the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    The problem with Callis' mock draft is that it comes out like 1 hour before the first pick. Mock drafts are pretty much useless at that point. I wish they'd put out a weekly mock leading up to the draft.
    Well, all mock drafts are a waste of time to some point; we could argue that most of them are based on dated thinking and just pure guesses, rendering them flights of fantasy more than a useful tool. Guess wrong about what Tampa does at #1 and the entire board changes. But heck, I like 'em anyway.
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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed View Post
    Well, all mock drafts are a waste of time to some point; we could argue that most of them are based on dated thinking and just pure guesses, rendering them flights of fantasy more than a useful tool. Guess wrong about what Tampa does at #1 and the entire board changes. But heck, I like 'em anyway.
    Mock drafts are useful as a way to generate discussion and debate. Putting out a mock draft right before the draft kicks off is basically self-serving, like "Look how many I can get right". Put it out at least the day before so that people can actually read and absorb what they are saying.

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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Obviously if he is putting out a revised "mock draft" an hour before the draft, he has sources telling him exactly where certain players are going to go. That is not really a mock draft, that is just repeating what you've been told. I agree it would be impressive if he could do it at least a day before the draft.

    He gets credit for having good sources, but then again the MLB draft has been notorious for letting the cat out of the bag early. It seems like every year the picks leak out early for whatever reason.

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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    Obviously if he is putting out a revised "mock draft" an hour before the draft, he has sources telling him exactly where certain players are going to go. That is not really a mock draft, that is just repeating what you've been told. I agree it would be impressive if he could do it at least a day before the draft.

    He gets credit for having good sources, but then again the MLB draft has been notorious for letting the cat out of the bag early. It seems like every year the picks leak out early for whatever reason.
    Exactly...he should blog the info he gets directly before the draft but put out his final mock a day or two before.

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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    BP either knows something that no one else does, or that mock draft is complete crap. They have several teams (like the Reds) taking huge risks in the top 10. No way some of the top guys like Smoak fall as far as BP is saying.

    Well BP is like any other entity that relies upon "sources" for "inside information". They're just as likely to be used as a tool by their sources. Then there is also the subjective opinion of the writers on top of it....
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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Buster Posey is asking 12 million dollars! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. His agents are going to have that bluffed called by every team in the draft. The record for a catcher is 5 million bucks and Matt Weiters was a MUCH better prospect coming into the draft than Posey is.

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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Draft: Talent is top need
    Position, shmosition; Reds say they'll go 'best available' route
    BY JOHN FAY | JFAY@ENQUIRER.COM

    PHILADELPHIA - Call it the Jay Bruce Philosophy. The Reds will pick the best player available today in the annual draft, regardless of position.

    When they picked Bruce in the first round in 2005, no one saw outfield as a pressing need, but the Bruce pick worked out pretty well.

    "You want to go for value," scouting director Chris Buckley said. "(General manager Walt Jocketty) can trade anybody. The needs right now for the Reds might not be the same as they are in three years."

    The Reds pick seventh in the first round. Buckley said the club is focused on four players for that pick:

    Brian Matusz, a left-handed pitcher from the University of San Diego: He is the No. 2-rated player in the draft overall by Baseball America. He was a fourth-round pick out of high school. He throws up to 93 mph, but his off-speed stuff sets him apart.

    Buster Posey, a catcher from Florida State, rated No. 4 by BA: He's a converted shortstop. Baseball America calls him "one of the safest picks in this year's draft. His projection as an offensive catcher with Gold Glove-caliber defense has boosted Posey's draft stock as much as anyone's over the weeks leading up to the draft."

    Gordon Beckham, a shortstop from Georgia, rated No. 6 by BA: His background is the same as Jeff Keppinger's. Beckham won the home run title last year in the prestigious Cape Cod League. He's been among the leading hitters in the NCAA, both in average and home runs.

    Yonder Alonso, a first baseman from Miami (Fla.), rated No. 10 by BA: He drove in 69 runs as a freshman and hit .376 with 18 homers as a sophomore.

    The Reds cleared a spot on their 40-man roster Wednesday, so if they offer the top pick a big-league contract, they have a place to put him.

    The ability to sign players greatly affects the draft.

    "We've been talking to agents, seeing where guys stand," Buckley said.

    http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...T04/806050400/

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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Buster Posey is asking 12 million dollars! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. His agents are going to have that bluffed called by every team in the draft. The record for a catcher is 5 million bucks and Matt Weiters was a MUCH better prospect coming into the draft than Posey is.
    Wieters is a better hitter but I'm not sure if I would call him a better catcher.

    But the 12 million request is beyond ridiculous - makes me think much less of Posey.

    Bad enough that Florida State has him playing the part of gimmick player and fielding all 9 positions in one night.

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    Re: Baseball Prospectus mock draft has the Reds selecting...

    Typical of Fay to say something stupid like "his background is the same as Jeff Keppinger's" when referring to Gordon Beckham. Uh John, just because they are infielders from the same school doesn't make their backgrounds similar. At least not in the way he used it. Beckham is obviously one of the top 10 picks in the draft, while Keppinger was a fourth-round pick and looked to be a career minor leaguer until he landed with the Reds last year. I would say coming out of school, their "backgrounds" are much different. Unless every player from Georgia is considered to have the same background.


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