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    Horse Racing's Triple Crown...

    With a couple of baseball players messing around with the Triple Crown in Hamilton and Berkman, horse racing is about to have their 1st Triple Crown Winner in 30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    With a couple of baseball players messing around with the Triple Crown in Hamilton and Berkman, horse racing is about to have their 1st Triple Crown Winner in 30 years.
    I'd bet on the under on that one. This seems to happen about every 2 or 3 years and something always comes up.

    I would have bet boat loads of cash that War Emblem would have pulled off the trick a couple of years ago - and for some reason tripped up at the end. Same goes for Smarty Jones - that horse was off the charts in the Preakness and they were already giving him the Triple Crown going into the Belmont.

    I'd love to see Big Brown do it - but I'd bet against it happening.

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    I like horse racing and betting on horse racing, but I really don't care about "big time" races. For me, the fun of horse racing is going to the track, making a bet, and watching the race to see if it comes in. I don't really get any entertainment value rooting on a horse that's paying 2-5.

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    The morning line second choice Casino Drive has been scratched from the Belmont!

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    I don't really get into horse racing other than the big races, although it was pretty fun going to the track the one time I went. It was a bit intimidating when you get there and guys start throwing all kinds of numbers and scouting reports around (a girl who was a horse racing addict took me). I imagine it would be what its like if I took my wife to a ballgame with a bunch of scouts, or at least a bunch of Redszoners.

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    I put 20 on the field vs. Big Brown. 3-1 odds. I'm just a "field" type of person as I debated in a "Will Tiger win the Grand Slam" thread.

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    No triple crown for another year. The Belmont always the jynx of triple crown hopefuls. The length of the Belmont seems to do in the favorites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainmorgan07 View Post
    No triple crown for another year. The Belmont always the jynx of triple crown hopefuls. The length of the Belmont seems to do in the favorites.
    It's always about the drugs.

    No drugs in New York. The only place in America where you can get a horse race and you are actually seeing what the horses natural abilities are.

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    I don't think that was it, and we probably should have seen this coming. The Belmont isn't called the "test of champions" for nothing. It's a grueling, demanding race that eats up any horse that's not at his peak, and Big Brown's training was disrupted because of the hoof problem. He was just short today and I'm not sure anyone could have done anything about it.

    Unfortunately for Dutrow, he'd done so much woofing about Big Brown's invincibility that even if he suspected the horse might not have his game, he'd have been barbecued for saying so pre-race. The tone of racing discussions being what they've been lately, there's no way he was going to admit he was sending Big Brown to the post at anything less than 100%.

    On the plus side, maybe Big Brown will stay on the racetrack for awhile to regain his luster instead of being hustled off to the stud farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed View Post
    I don't think that was it, and we probably should have seen this coming. The Belmont isn't called the "test of champions" for nothing. It's a grueling, demanding race that eats up any horse that's not at his peak, and Big Brown's training was disrupted because of the hoof problem. He was just short today and I'm not sure anyone could have done anything about it.

    Unfortunately for Dutrow, he'd done so much woofing about Big Brown's invincibility that even if he suspected the horse might not have his game, he'd have been barbecued for saying so pre-race. The tone of racing discussions being what they've been lately, there's no way he was going to admit he was sending Big Brown to the post at anything less than 100%.

    On the plus side, maybe Big Brown will stay on the racetrack for awhile to regain his luster instead of being hustled off to the stud farm.
    My guess is if this race had been anything other than final leg of the triple crown, he wouldn't have run. It probably should have been that way to start with, if he's injuried he should have never been entered in the race to start with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I put 20 on the field vs. Big Brown. 3-1 odds. I'm just a "field" type of person as I debated in a "Will Tiger win the Grand Slam" thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    It's always about the drugs.

    No drugs in New York. The only place in America where you can get a horse race and you are actually seeing what the horses natural abilities are.
    As the resident equine veterinarian, let me just say, "Bull."

    TB racing in any state is highly regulated. It wasn't always that way, and the reputation still holds.

    A quick education on Winstol. It is a testosterone derivative. It will shortly be a prohibited substance in all jurisdictions. However, that is more of a response the fallout from human PEDs than any medical justification. It has been shown in multiple studies that Winstrol has NO effect on race times.

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    Big Brown is a good horse in a "down year" of 3 year olds. If you look at his race times in the first two races in the triple crown, they are slow compaired to past champions. His training up to the Belmont, might of had something to do with it as well. Not getting a shot of the "juice" before the race for the first time in his career might of had something to do with it also.

    I'm glad he did not win, a triple crown winner should have true competition, and this was just a down year.http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ray&id=3394285
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Heeler View Post
    As the resident equine veterinarian, let me just say, "Bull."

    TB racing in any state is highly regulated. It wasn't always that way, and the reputation still holds.

    A quick education on Winstol. It is a testosterone derivative. It will shortly be a prohibited substance in all jurisdictions. However, that is more of a response the fallout from human PEDs than any medical justification. It has been shown in multiple studies that Winstrol has NO effect on race times.
    It increases muscle mass, strength, red blood cell production, and aggressive behavior. I'd say some would assume that could help a horse run.

    You know more than me, but more than just your regular conspiracy theorists have some problems with Winstrol.
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    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=7638

    Big Brown won two legs of the Triple Crown, possibly aided by steroids, but he wasn't as fast as the last Triple Crown winner, and he wasn't as fast as horse racing's Babe Ruth. Steroids didn't make a horse into Superman. Horse expert Michael Hindman said it better than I could:

    Secretariat would be Babe Ruth if Babe Ruth had once hit 90 homers in a season and no one else has ever hit more than 50. The gap in physical ability between him and all other thoroughbreds is unlike anything else in sports history. Put it this way: Secretariat was capable of hitting 600-foot homers. Secretariat's 35-year-old Kentucky Derby record time still stands, and nobody has ever come close to it. His 35-year-old world record time at a mile and a half set in the Belmont has never been challenged by any horse ever, anywhere. He ran his mile and a half in 2:24. No other horse--anywhere, ever--has broken 2:25.3. That means that the second best time at a mile and a half, ever, would have been eight lengths behind him. Secretariat also set the world record at a mile and an eighth. He ran once on the grass and set a track record at Belmont Park (again at a mile and a half) that still stands 35 years later. Secretariat ran against and beat the crap out of at least five other Hall of Fame horses. Big Brown is beating one of the worst crops of three year olds ever. By the way, we've used Winstrol and Equipoise on horses from time to time over the years, and as far as I can tell it doesn't do much for them other than run up the vet bill.


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