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    I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    I wouldn't be surprised, if the Reds decide to sign Dunn LT if while Yonder is working his way up if they have him play both 1b and 3b. He could be Miguel Cabrera like out there. I think he could do well enough there where his bat will far outweigh any lack of D. They say he has the arm for it and that he played 3b in HS but when he got to Miami Ryan Braun was there so they put him at 1st.

    Another thing to think about it that Yonder if really good friends with A-Rod, they talk to each other a few times a week and have workout together, so he would probably be seeking his mentoring during the offseason.

    Any who it could work. For those who complain about there being two many lefties with Votto, Bruce, Dunn, Alonso, all of those besides Dunn hit lefties just fine, Votto actually hits lefties better than righties, thus it wouldn't be bad at all

    EE could be dealt in a package for catching help

    I mean just imagine a lineup with Bruce, Votto, BP, Kepp, Alonso, and Dunn in it

    Of course there is always Todd Fraizer for LF if he hurrys his progress.

    Regardless there are many choices for us in which to go and the future of the Reds offense looks very very bright
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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by redhawk61 View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised, if the Reds decide to sign Dunn LT if while Yonder is working his way up if they have him play both 1b and 3b. He could be Miguel Cabrera like out there. I think he could do well enough there where his bat will far outweigh any lack of D. They say he has the arm for it and that he played 3b in HS but when he got to Miami Ryan Braun was there so they put him at 1st.

    Another thing to think about it that Yonder if really good friends with A-Rod, they talk to each other a few times a week and have workout together, so he would probably be seeking his mentoring during the offseason.

    Any who it could work. For those who complain about there being two many lefties with Votto, Bruce, Dunn, Alonso, all of those besides Dunn hit lefties just fine, Votto actually hits lefties better than righties, thus it wouldn't be bad at all

    EE could be dealt in a package for catching help

    I mean just imagine a lineup with Bruce, Votto, BP, Kepp, Alonso, and Dunn in it

    Of course there is always Todd Fraizer for LF if he hurrys his progress.

    Regardless there are many choices for us in which to go and the future of the Reds offense looks very very bright
    if he can't play 3B as well as Ryan Braun then he has no business playing 3B.
    Braun was so bad at 3B the brewers moved him to LF
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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    My guess is Alonso will be playing 1B pretty much exclusively although they may play him at third just enough that he can fill in in a pinch.

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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    third is by far the Reds' strongest position (EdE, Keppy, Frazier, Francisco), and putting Yonder there just slows his progress to the majors

    Reds need Yonder quickly and will put him at the position that gets him the majors fastest-- first base.

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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by redhawk61 View Post
    For those who complain about there being two many lefties with Votto, Bruce, Dunn, Alonso, all of those besides Dunn hit lefties just fine
    I agree with pretty much everything else you wrote, however Dunn hits lefties just fine. Of course, he's not as good against them as he is RHP, but his career OPS against LHP is .840. Not outstanding, but certainly more than acceptable.

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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by Screwball View Post
    I agree with pretty much everything else you wrote, however Dunn hits lefties just fine. Of course, he's not as good against them as he is RHP, but his career OPS against LHP is .840. Not outstanding, but certainly more than acceptable.
    I personally don't buy "career numbers" when it comes to how hitters hit types of pitchers. A teams ability to bring in a "lefty specialist" is made to get left handed hitters out, and you can't really say the same about starters. Of course I don't have career numbers on "lefty specialists" but do you see what I'm saying?

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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    I personally don't buy "career numbers" when it comes to how hitters hit types of pitchers. A teams ability to bring in a "lefty specialist" is made to get left handed hitters out, and you can't really say the same about starters. Of course I don't have career numbers on "lefty specialists" but do you see what I'm saying?
    I think I get the gist of what you're saying, but I can't say I agree. The whole reason I used his career numbers is because it's a large enough sample size (1390 ABs) to be able to make inferences about his ability to hit LHP.

    It's true that he has had to face LOOGY specialists many a time (who gets a paycheck for the sole purpose of getting LHBs out, obviously), and the fact his career OPS is still 40 points over .800 against LHP tells me he pretty much rakes against your normal southpaw starter or reliever.

    He won't hit for as much power (.477 SLG) or get on base at the same clip (.363 OBP) as he does against RHP, but I have no problem watching him dig in against LHP.

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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by Screwball View Post
    I think I get the gist of what you're saying, but I can't say I agree. The whole reason I used his career numbers is because it's a large enough sample size (1390 ABs) to be able to make inferences about his ability to hit LHP.

    It's true that he has had to face LOOGY specialists many a time (who gets a paycheck for the sole purpose of getting LHBs out, obviously), and the fact his career OPS is still 40 points over .800 against LHP tells me he pretty much rakes against your normal southpaw starter or reliever.

    He won't hit for as much power (.477 SLG) or get on base at the same clip (.363 OBP) as he does against RHP, but I have no problem watching him dig in against LHP.

    I agree. I can't really complain about the way Dunn hits lefties. However, there really is only one guy the Reds have that RAKES against lefties, and that is Phillips, and unfortunately, I think that's why he bats clean up even against righties. That way, other teams get hurt if they bring in a lefty for Jr., they either have to take him out or pitch to Phillips to get to Dunn. Even though Dunn does fine against lefties, the team in general lacks the depth of right handed hitting to really cause mismatches late in the game. Those mismatches are often spun around on the Reds.

    But because of the lack of RH hitting, BP has to hit 4th even against righties, which kills the lineup more often than not. (I say "has to" because that is what Dusty thinks.... That he has to hit there and that there is no other option).

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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    I agree. I can't really complain about the way Dunn hits lefties. However, there really is only one guy the Reds have that RAKES against lefties, and that is Phillips, and unfortunately, I think that's why he bats clean up even against righties. That way, other teams get hurt if they bring in a lefty for Jr., they either have to take him out or pitch to Phillips to get to Dunn. Even though Dunn does fine against lefties, the team in general lacks the depth of right handed hitting to really cause mismatches late in the game. Those mismatches are often spun around on the Reds.

    But because of the lack of RH hitting, BP has to hit 4th even against righties, which kills the lineup more often than not. (I say "has to" because that is what Dusty thinks.... That he has to hit there and that there is no other option).
    Good point. Dunn can hold his own against LHP, but Phillips flat out destroys southpaws to the tune of a 1.069 OPS this season. Of course, like you said, it'd be nice to get his .297 OBP against RHP out of the 4 hole, but I don't think we'll be seeing that happen anytime soon.

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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    third is by far the Reds' strongest position (EdE, Keppy, Frazier, Francisco), and putting Yonder there just slows his progress to the majors

    Reds need Yonder quickly and will put him at the position that gets him the majors fastest-- first base.
    If you think Jeff Keppinger could be an everyday Third Baseman in the Majors, Lord help you...

    No Offense but this "I love you" Dance with Kepp has got to come down to Earth. Keppinger might have hit .324, thats fine and dandy... The guy is a back up... A great guy to have back up all 4 Infield positions.

    Yonder at 3rd? I wish? I thought Frazier was in the Outfield?

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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    If you think Jeff Keppinger could be an everyday Third Baseman in the Majors, Lord help you...

    No Offense but this "I love you" Dance with Kepp has got to come down to Earth. Keppinger might have hit .324, thats fine and dandy... The guy is a back up... A great guy to have back up all 4 Infield positions.

    Yonder at 3rd? I wish? I thought Frazier was in the Outfield?
    The guy is not a back up, he may very well be our most clutch hitter and if would have stayed healthy would be our #1 or #2 RBI man. He's very fundamentally sound defensively, but scouts say he isn't a good defender at short due to his lack of range. It isn't really a lack of range, just not outstanding range. He is sound fielding and throwing, and has average range. I take that from our best hitter.
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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    The guy is not a back up, he may very well be our most clutch hitter and if would have stayed healthy would be our #1 or #2 RBI man. He's very fundamentally sound defensively, but scouts say he isn't a good defender at short due to his lack of range. It isn't really a lack of range, just not outstanding range. He is sound fielding and throwing, and has average range. I take that from our best hitter.
    Dude, no offense... But Kepp is a Role Player at best... Hariston is hitting like.316 and was hitting .340 for the first 20 games he was here as well...

    Bako was hitting what? .370 at some point?

    Kepp is a fine hitter, but some people make him out to be Michael Young, which he is not... He is a guy that is going to hit .290-.300 and have gap power... Not a Starter... Unless he was playing for the Royals.

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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    Dude, no offense... But Kepp is a Role Player at best... Hariston is hitting like.316 and was hitting .340 for the first 20 games he was here as well...

    Bako was hitting what? .370 at some point?

    Kepp is a fine hitter, but some people make him out to be Michael Young, which he is not... He is a guy that is going to hit .290-.300 and have gap power... Not a Starter... Unless he was playing for the Royals.
    Huh? Keppinger is probably the best pure hitter on the team. He isn't going to hit many HR's but he isn't going to strike out much. He will hit the ball all over the field. If he is just a role player I would be interested to see the 8 other positions players that you feel are better hitters/players than Keppinger.

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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    The guy is not a back up, he may very well be our most clutch hitter and if would have stayed healthy would be our #1 or #2 RBI man. He's very fundamentally sound defensively, but scouts say he isn't a good defender at short due to his lack of range. It isn't really a lack of range, just not outstanding range. He is sound fielding and throwing, and has average range. I take that from our best hitter.
    I think Kepp's main problem is that he is not perceived as one of those guys who will make ESPN Sportscenter's highlight reel every night. He is solid, but not elite. And that is OK, because you need a couple of those players on the roster. The truth is, all the "big names" who WILL make Sportscenter are extreme streaky hitters (Dunn, Griffey, Phillips, etc.). Kepp is the guy who flies under the radar all year and on the last day of season, you look at his stats and say, "Wow ... he's had a nice year."

    As far as Alonso at 3B, I think he'd be better over "Yonder" at 1B. : Seriously, I don't think the Reds want to sign Adam Dunn to a huge contract and get saddled with a $15+ million per year salary for the next 3-5 years. Not when they have Votto, who can play probably equivalent defense in LF. Votto, on his best year, won't provide Dunn's offensive numbers, but with Bruce in RF, you have to wonder if Stubbs may be the best option in CF next year (barring a trade for an offensive minded CF). That's better defense in CF and RF, and you may not need as much thunder as you do now.
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    Re: I wouldn't be surprised if they try Yonder at 3rd

    I have to question anyone who doesn't believe Kepp is an everyday player at this point. Just watch is at-bats and his approach to hitting. He will hit for a higher average than anyone who started the season on the Reds roster.

    I also believe he could play a good 3b.
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