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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Finesse pitchers don't lead the leauge in strikeouts....and exactly what was dusty supposed to do? Harang lost it faster than Eric Milton.

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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Harang had a 2.98 ERA in April
    In May it was 4.98 and now in 2 starts in June he is at 6.99

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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelhouse View Post
    This all may go back to San Diego. For all his size, Harang is a finesse pitcher. He may be just off.
    His fastball is topping out at 90 most of this season; last season he was pretty regularly topping at 93.

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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    Which is one of the reasons Harang is nearing 2-9. Long ball after long ball this year. It's bad enough when your lineup can't hit anyone who isn't crappy, but giving up HRs in every start at inoppotune times helps.
    Do runs scored off of HR count differently than ones scored off walks and hits? I don't care how they're scored, a sub 4.00 ERA does not translate to a 2-8 record in any way. Give him Volquez's runs support and he'd be at least 5-5. Pitcher's W-L are just a ridiculously useless stat and should be ignored completely.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    If he' not hurting, it may be the pressure. Going out every time and never getting enough runs to feel comfortable. It would war on you.

    Unless he's lsot it ala Zito.
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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Fish announcers commenting on Harang not being the same since his relief appearance.
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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Good stop by Votto to finally end the inning.

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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I don't worry about Harang long-term necessarily because he always has at least a month-long spat like this every season.
    worried because he has struggled since the relief outing
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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Do runs scored off of HR count differently than ones scored off walks and hits? I don't care how they're scored, a sub 4.00 ERA does not translate to a 2-8 record in any way. Give him Volquez's runs support and he'd be at least 5-5.
    it does when your team only scores 1 or 2 runs.

    And lately, that ERA has been more like 7.00.
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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Quote Originally Posted by mbgrayson View Post
    Fish announcers commenting on Harang not being the same since his relief appearance.
    Ummm. Harang got whipped like a redheaded stepchild by the worst offense in the universe in San Diego *right before* his relief stint in the final game of that series.

    This is creating a narrative where they want to see a narrative; Harang was stinking the joint up well before the relief appearance.

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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Someone asked about Phillips with runners on, 2 out....ie the dreaded LOB stat.

    Here you go:

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    G 	AB 	R 	H 	2B 	3B 	HR 	RBI 	BB 	K 	SB 	CS 	AVG 	OBP 	SLG 	OPS 	 	 
    44 	58 	8 	12 	3 	0 	1 	8 	6 	13 	3 	0 	.207 	.281 	.310 	.592

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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Then let him skip a start and put Affeldt in there. Getting bombed in SD and FLA is not a good sign...I agree.....the relief stint I am sure did not help but like FCB said...he stank against San Diego's offense which makes the Reds 1982 offense look like the BRM.

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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Dunn walks.

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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Harang is the right-handed Tom Browning. And it's certainly not just his home park either--he's been spreading his ick to mammoth stadiums around the league--Miami, San Diego, etc.

    He'll never not give up the homer; and he'll never not be a #2 starter for that reason.
    That's pretty much nuts.

    He's essentially exactly average for an NL starter when it comes to giving up homeruns.
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    Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

    No one likes to hear stuff like this, but I kind of think Aaron's problems come from his propensity to be more Andy Benes than John Smoltz.


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