Reds @ Fish 6/8/08

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto strikes out swinging for the 3rd time today. 1 out.

[mbgrayson]

Harang before the relief appearance: 3.50 ERA, 63 Ks in 74 and 2/3 IP. (7.6 K/9)
Harang in 3 starts since the relief appearance: 8.40 ERA, 8Ks in 15 IP. (4.8 K/9)

[Falls City Beer]

That's pretty much nuts.

He's essentially exactly average for an NL starter when it comes to giving up homeruns.

#2 = better than average. Hence, Harang is better than average. Not seeing your point. And certainly not seeing why that's nuts.

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[RedsManRick]

it does when your team only scores 1 or 2 runs.

And lately, that ERA has been more like 7.00.

I don't want to get in to it in a game thread, but you cannot fault Harang for the team failing to give him run support. I'm sorry, pitchers simply cannot pitch to their offense support -- it's been proven over and over.

Harang has struggled lately, and that's on him 100%. Certainly it's hard to win when he gives up 6, like he has today. But suggesting he's been a poor pitcher for allowing 2 runs when his offense only gives him 1 is just silly.

[flyer85]

Harang before the relief appearance: 3.50 ERA, 63 Ks in 74 and 2/3 IP. (7.6 K/9)
Harang in 3 starts since the relief appearance: 8.40 ERA, 8Ks in 15 IP. (4.8 K/9)

I am sure the relief appearance has nothing to do with it

afterall, it was a good idea.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross pops out. 6-1 Marlins mid 6th.

[WVRedsFan]

Ummm. Harang got whipped like a redheaded stepchild by the worst offense in the universe in San Diego *right before* his relief stint in the final game of that series.

This is creating a narrative where they want to see a narrative; Harang was stinking the joint up well before the relief appearance.

True.

Last four starts...only 20.1 innings, allowing 37 hits and 19 earned runs. More alarming is the strikouts have gone away--only 17, and he's allowed 5 HRs. ERA is 8.42.

Has to be something wrong.

[Red in Chicago]

Ummm. Harang got whipped like a redheaded stepchild by the worst offense in the universe in San Diego *right before* his relief stint in the final game of that series.

This is creating a narrative where they want to see a narrative; Harang was stinking the joint up well before the relief appearance.

before the san diego game that you reference his era was just slightly above 3. far from stinking up the place.

[fearofpopvol1]

I'd like to see those (prior) EdE defenders continue to defend his bat.

[redsrule2500]

Wow, terrible...

This guy looks like Cy Young against the Reds.....blah

......or just david ross being david ross.

[Reds Fanatic]

They are leaving Harang out there for the 6th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rabello lines a single to right.

[WVRedsFan]

I don't want to get in to it in a game thread, but you cannot fault Harang for the team failing to give him run support. I'm sorry, pitchers simply cannot pitch to their offense support -- it's been proven over and over.

Harang has struggled lately, and that's on him 100%. Certainly it's hard to win when he gives up 6, like he has today. But suggesting he's been a poor pitcher for allowing 2 runs when his offense only gives him 1 is just silly.

That wasn't my point. I said the 2-9 record had a lot to do with him giving up a lot of runs and I meant over the last four starts. I should have explained myself better, I guess. That's not faulting him as much as it is his teammates.

As for the last four starts, he's stunk up the joint.

[CTA513]

Why is Harang still pitching?