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Although I don;t see anything coming from this, but would they part with Ellsbury?Barry Bonds is not a consideration for Boston even if David Ortiz's injury becomes long-term. Rosenthal believes Adam Dunn could be on the radar under that scenario.
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Would Dunn put the Red Sox on his "list"???Originally Posted by sonny
I don't see them parting with Ellsbury. He's pretty much their version of Jay Bruce.
Hmmmm, with that short right field and a history of winning? Yeah, probably not.:
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He's nothing like Jay Bruce. He may be Johnny Damon, but he's no Jay Bruce.
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Think Johnny Damon with a touch less power.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
No,no...he may put awful teams on that list so that he can't/won't be traded. There are 2 ways to look at the situation. He may be looking for leverage.Hmmmm, with that short right field and a history of winning? Yeah, probably not.
I'm guessing that's what he does. He's got a young family, and his child has a newly discovered medical condition. The Dunns will likely want to do what they can to stay put for now.he may put awful teams on that list so that he can't/won't be traded. There are 2 ways to look at the situation. He may be looking for leverage.
That's usually the purpose of a no trade clause. You'd have to think he'd be most likely to use it to ensure he's only traded to a team that's willing to give him a big contract extension as the condition to waive it. Unless David Ortiz(or Manny Ramirez) is out of the picture permanently, that's not likely to be the Red Sox. Although, I suppose it's possible he'd be willing to waive it just for a bonus if he intends to go out on the free agent market anyway.
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It's hard to try to read Dunn's mind.
He has said that he's tired of the constant rumors about being traded, so I tend to think that he will do his best to leverage his no trade clause to stay put.
The only exception I see is that perhaps there's a team like Houston/Texas/whoever that he really wants to play for and extend with. Perhaps then he'd accept. I think he may actually be able to get a bigger contract that way. Once a team has dealt prospects for him, they are probably going to be more highly motivated to extend him and may be willing to pay more...
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Assuming Ellsbury is not available, I wonder if a Crisp/Lowrie/Bard for Dunn/Weathers type deal would fly.
Any shot at Bowden or Masterson?
Of course, it's doubtful the Sox would be interested in signing Dunn long term, so I'm sure that would factor in to their offer.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Cot's says the provision in his contract which kicks in on June 15th is a limited no trade clause "allowing Dunn specify 10 clubs to which he would accept a trade." As I've understood it, he has either given them that list or will have to give them that list when the limited clause takes effect. Someone can correct me if that's I'm wrong. And I still don't buy the Redszone red herring that he'll name clubs that can't afford him so the Reds are forced to keep him and let him walk. It just strikes me as implausible.
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I think any player would be okay with going to the Sox for a chance at a ring even if it was clear they weren't looking to sign you long term. I mean Dunn could play a half season in Boston, end up in the Series, then hit the FA market for a big payday. Hard to envision Adam blocking a Boston trade. He'd have everything going for him in that scenario.
It's hard to see what the Reds would get out of it if Boston isn't interested in him long term. Certainly they aren't giving up any of their core, including Ellsbury. If there are any legs to this story then it would be a couple of prospects or if the Reds are out of their minds and desperate for a CFer, Crisp and a couple prospects.
the reason he names clubs that won't want him is NOT so the Reds are forced to keep him, it is so he can control where he is traded(by having to waive his no-trade).
Any deal involving Dunn to the Red Sox would have to involve Michael Bowden or Justin Masterson to the Reds IMO. Brandon Moss and Jed Lowrie would be other prospects I'd like to see thrown in.
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