Now wait a minute here...
The guy Kemp is 23 and hit .342 last year with 10 HR in under 300AB's, but straight up for Adam Dunn???
Am I in the minority on this? I wouldn't do that deal straight up... If they wanted Dunn, 40-100-100-100
They would have to give me Billingsly, Kershaw, and Kemp
You all can call me nuts, crazy, or whatever... But I do not give a darn...
Dunn for Kemp straight up, rent a Dunn or not, that is ridiculous...
Do the trade, and then sign Dunn to a contract after he hits FA. He gets to go play somewhere else for a couple of months and then runs back to an outfield of him, Kemp, and Bruce.
I like that outfield a lot.
I'd like to see what Kemp is making, salary-wise, and how long his contract is for.
Me personally, Ceteris Paribus, I would trade away a .250 40HR guy in a small park for a .325 20HR guy coming from a big park.
kemp would hit 30 in GAB, that would be an excellent deal for the reds...
we'd actually have our cleanup hitter we are complaining for...
If I remember right, back when Walt was the GM for the Cards, he tried really really hard to land Kemp, but back them the Dodgers said no dice.
On a side note, my brother's, best friend's, uncle is Ned Collettie. Maybe I can meet him, take him out for some drinks and convince him how priceless Dunn is and getting him for Kemp would be a bargin
I agree.Originally Posted by Phillips Head
I take that deal in a heart beat.
From this and your post in the Encarnacion thread, you seem to have a warped sense of reality when it comes to trades and signings. Those 3 kids you mention are all 23 or younger and highly regarded. You would expect them in return for Adam Dunn for 1/2 the year? Why not ask for Sandy Koufax to boot?
If the Reds aren't going to sign Dunn long term, which I think is a mistake, I would take Kemp and his years of arbitration ahead of him straight up for 1/2 a year of Dunn in a heartbeat.
Excuse you. I do not have a warped sense of Reality.
Do I think the Dodgers would trade those 3 for Adam Dunn? Probably not...
The Dodgers wouldn't trade any one of those three for Adam Dunn. We would have to give them something else besides Dunn if we want Kemp. My proposal, Dunn and Bailey for Kemp.
and my response, where do I sign
agreed redhawk61. I don't think they would even do that.
Last time I checked, Aaron Boone netted a top pitching prospect in return for a deadline deal (granted he didn't exactly pan out, but never the less). You're severely undervaluing Dunn; guys who hit 40 HRs and produce 100+ BBs and RBIs don't grow on trees.
Dunn for Kemp is relatively a fair trade.
Man, I am not the one Undervaluing Dunn, is it everyone else on this board...
For Example... If Adam Dunn was available in Trade on another team...
And someone suggested we trade for him... Everyone here would say:
"You would have to trade Jay Bruce, Cueto, and another prosepct for Adam Dunn"
A lot of people here Do very much UNDERVALUE the Reds players... It is Pathedic...
I for one would be asking for Kemp, Billingsly, and Kershaw for Dunn... As the starting Point if I were Walt Jocketty... (someone is going to say NEd Colletti would hang up)
Adam Dunn is an Elite Player in the League... Maybe not a Pujols or anything, but Damn... Give the guy some Credit... If this team actually traded Adam Dunn staight up for Kemp, that would be a huge error. Adam Dunn is a guaranteed Hitter with 4+ years of MONSTER Production... You only have a small sample size to go off Kemp... So he may or may not be the 30 HR hitter everyone thinks he will be... But with a proven comodity as Adam Dunn, you know what you are getting...
[QUOTE=Hondo;1663440]Man, I am not the one Undervaluing Dunn, is it everyone else on this board...
For Example... If Adam Dunn was available in Trade on another team...
And someone suggested we trade for him... Everyone here would say:
"You would have to trade Jay Bruce, Cueto, and another prosepct for Adam Dunn"
A lot of people here Do very much UNDERVALUE the Reds players... It is Pathedic...
Hondo, have you ever talked to any fans of other teams, and gauged their interest in Dunn? Fromt he ones I have spoke to, I would def say we overvalue him, as I have not talked to many people that want him on thier team-maybe they already feel good about their team and dont need him, btu they def dont express an interest, and will generally comment about his k's, and that he is not the key player a team should build around (its up for arguement of course on that). I am only stating this info from my own experiences/conversations, but for you to say people on this board are pathetic for not thinking what you think is "pathedic".
1) Kemp is a centerfielder, and a great one at that. He has a cannon for an arm and has excellent range. Dunn is a below average leftfielder.
2) Kemp is five years younger than Dunn, meaning that he will be getting better while Dunn will be losing his skills. He also will be much cheaper than Dunn.
3) Kemp is a righthanded power hitter for the middle of the lineup, something that the Reds desperately need, especially with Bruce and Votto and possible Alonso coming up.
4) Kemp will provide similar run production to Dunn in GAPB. He's too young to really know what his ceiling is, but he is putting up solid numbers playing a pitchers park. He could easily hit 30 HR and be a 100 RBI, 100 runs guy in GAPB. The last two years, he has averaged around a .860 OPS. Dunn's career is .900. Have them switch ballparks, and they will have very similar OPS.
Basically, even if Dunn is better player, Kemp fills the Reds needs better, and makes them a better team. I don't want a team of the best players, I want the best team. Kemp instead of Dunn makes the Reds a better team.
A good example is when the Red Sox traded Nomar, their best and most popular player in 2004. The players they got back were not as good as him, but they made the Red Sox a better team. I think that worked out well for them.
By the way, the Dodgers would not trade Billingsly or Kershaw straight up for Dunn, let alone both of them and Kemp for Dunn. For that suggestion, I will call you crazy.
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