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Thread: ORG Thread says Kemp (LA Dodgers) for Dunn

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    Re: ORG Thread says Kemp (LA Dodgers) for Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by BLEEDS View Post
    Using BP's CAREER YEAR is nice, but I was talking on average. How about 2006:

    2006:
    Dunn: 131 hits + 112 BB = 246
    BP: 148 hits + 35 BB = 183
    That difference is 63

    what's 63 + 20 totaled, divided by 2? 41.5. That's called "on average". Of course BP needed 650 AB's compared to Dunn's 522 to get within 20 in 2007, but whatever....


    And yes, the "Official" baseball statistic for "Total Bases" does not include walks. I was not referencing only hits-produced bases, but walks as well.
    Those numbers?::

    2007:
    Dunn: 390
    BP: 348
    That difference is 42

    2006:
    Dunn: 387
    BP: 264
    That difference is WAY too much to calculate with piddies, so I can understand you not including it - it's 123.

    Of course I was mentioning "~" which means approximate, and of course this is in terms of "average", which is for the following past two years:

    2007:
    hits+walks: 41.5 per year
    Total Bases+walks: 84 per year.

    Also, of course, you have to consider games played and AB's vary - especially between guys who bat higher in the lineup - being BP for some ridiculous reason.

    Might be most simple to look at their OBP and SLG if you want to compare apples to apples.

    Dunn's OBP is about .380 compared to BP's .320 (which is being generous in only including his last 3 years) - which is about 60 points difference. Using ONLY 550 as a comparison - you get 33. So excuse me, he only gets OB about 33 more times than BP - all things being equal.

    Total Bases? Slugging is about a 55 points difference as well (only over the last 3 years, which is giving BP WAAAAy too much credit, again), so good for about 30 additional bases

    Walks - on average Dunn gets about 94 pts more per AB in walks, so about 52 more walks per 550 AB's, giving you TOTAL PRODUCTION of about 82 TB's + Walks.

    When you consider that BP's Batting average is a whopping 26 pts higher than Dunn's over the last 3 years, that's about an average of 14 hits more per 550 AB's. That's LESS than 1 per every 10 games

    NOW, when you consider that Dunn gets on base more often - meaning gets OUT less - at a pace more than DOUBLE that at 60, that means that BP gets out 33 more times per year than Dunn - or MORE than once more often every 5 games - or TWO times every 10 games. And, more than likely, one of those outs is a Double Play. Then tell me who is more PRODUCTIVE.

    PEACE

    -BLEEDS
    Yeah, what he said...

    But to add something... What is worse? A strike out or a Double Play?

    But another thing... Brandon Phillips is a great Player. Adam Dunn is a great player... This team needs both, plus some more pieces...

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    Re: ORG Thread says Kemp (LA Dodgers) for Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    Yeah, what he said...

    But to add something... What is worse? A strike out or a Double Play?

    But another thing... Brandon Phillips is a great Player. Adam Dunn is a great player... This team needs both, plus some more pieces...
    Agreed. Funny thing though is that people love BP because of his BA, but ignore his other HUGE offensive flaws, while pounding Dunn, who is CLEARLY the most productive player on the roster, and it's not even close.

    Just pointing out the disparity.

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    -BLEEDS
    I think that in a year or two, one of these guys - Frazier, Dorn, Valaika, Cumberland, Stubbs - will be ready to replace Dunn. They won't hit as many home runs as Dunn, but they should have similar OPS. - 757690, July 22, 2008

    Alonso will be playing 1B for the REDS and batting 4th one year from today. - Kingspoint, July 9, 2009

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    Re: ORG Thread says Kemp (LA Dodgers) for Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by BLEEDS View Post
    Agreed. Funny thing though is that people love BP because of his BA, but ignore his other HUGE offensive flaws, while pounding Dunn, who is CLEARLY the most productive player on the roster, and it's not even close.

    Just pointing out the disparity.

    PEACE

    -BLEEDS
    Another funny thing is people on this board ignore Dunn and his HUGE flaws but will bring up BP every chance they get. They are both good players and both very productive they just go about it in different ways


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