Hondo, can you comprehend what I am trying to say? If so, tell me what you think I just said in the previous post.
Hondo, can you comprehend what I am trying to say? If so, tell me what you think I just said in the previous post.
Last edited by thorn; 06-13-2008 at 02:14 PM.
I disagree with much of that. Dunn is a perfect example where sabermetrics and fantasy baseball statistics fail. Sometimes you simply have to watch the player and use your gut instincts. He's just another one of our inconsistent all-or-nothing unintelligent players who disappear for weeks at a time and is shaky in the field. That's not a winning combination. The game of baseball is more nuanced than simply turning to OPS and sabermetrics. You win consistently by playing consistently and playing fundamentally sound baseball.
Go after starters? Harang, Arroyo, Volquez, Cueto, Bailey, Maloney, Thompson, that is 7 right there who can fill 5 spots. 5 of those are young and talented. Do you really want to spend that 12 million or so one a Derek Lowe? 20 million on Sabathia? Or severely overpay for A.J. Burnett's inconsistencies?
We lose a lot of the books and it would be nice to have 1 thumper in the heart of a very talented young lineup. And as far as his defense, you have to admit he has improved it dramatically, i dont cringe near as much thinking he will drop any given fly ball.
I comprehend very well... Your point was that Starting Pitching Alone wasn't the answer...
But it was a pointless point, as you mentioned Pitching and Defense was what we needed... So, you included Pitching in your argument... I figured you were going to come with morre than "Pitching & Defense"... I have to give you cred though, you didn't put 1/5 of the Payroll in there... Or did you? And you didn't address anything I was asking about with all the money saving this team will have with the Contracts dropping????
Even though there are some raises coming for players...
Statistics don't lie. They are a measure of production. By watching Dunn, many Reds fans get frustrated by his strikeouts and inability to hit the ball the opposite way. That frustration makes you ignore the good things he does. How is he unintelligent? His defense has certainly improved to the point where he is an adequate LF. He is streaky, yes, but please fill me in on how you plan on replacing 100 runs, 100 RBI, 40 HR's, and a .900 OPS?
It's not Dunn's fault that Dusty is miserable at constructing lineups. Put Dunn at the top of the order and you will realize how valuable he is to this team.
Never has a guy done so much and gotten so little love for it than Adam Dunn.
So basically you are saying walks are not important, getting on base is not important. A .300 BA and a .330obp is better than a .230ba and a .400 obp. Getting on base and driving in runs is the key to baseball offensively. I am not a sabermetric fellow and havent even posted them in my argument.
And you win by scoring more runs than the other team. Right now we have 2 below average to average defensive outfielders, one of those (griffey) will most likely be gone. Jay Bruce will be a good right fielder, get a solid defender and center and Dunn's defense isn't a big deal and definitely doesn't outweigh his offense. What makes Dunn so inconsistent and not fundamentally sound. He is a discplined hitter, doesn't typically make bad baserunning mistakes (Freel) and seems like a good teammate. Not to mention, he has some really consistent career numbers.
And also Nuxhall, i want to know you response to Dunn never having a hitter behind him, and how he produces in the 2 spot with Griffey behind him.
Rob Deer and Dave Kingman are 2 of the more famous "all or nothing" hitters. They have similar career averages as done, but OBP's of .320 and .300, way lower than .380. He does more than hit homeruns.
When a season is as long as 162 games, statistics are a great measure of production, and certainly don't lie. I agree that there are some factors of production that don't go into statistics, but if you look at Dunn's production over the last 4 seasons (like 650 games), you can't argue that he has been a consistent run producer, and an asset to this offense.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/dunnad01.shtml
Scroll to the bottom and look at the similar players through age 27 as Adam Dunn, tell me you wouldnt want those guys in the middle of your lineup.
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