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    Quote Originally Posted by EddieMilner View Post
    Don't they show his show on RFDTV? If you polled 200 people, you would be lucky to find 2 people that have any clue what the channel is and if its on their local cable service.

    In the late 90s he had actual ratings. Today Imus has 0 ratings. When people aren't listening to you, you are less influential. He could have Jesus himself on his show every morning, but if no one is listening then its still pretty irrelevant.
    When he was with MSNBC he repeatedly beat CNN and Fox for his time slot. RFD obviously is not mainstream but Imus is changing that. I know a bunch of people who are upset they don't get RFD, because of Imus. Another point is that Imus will bring on a guest and reference an interview from earlier in the show and almost every time the person, will say, "yeah, I heard that" or, "yeah, I was listening." And I am talking about senators, congressmen and well known media members.

    You have no ratings numbers. You have no facts of any kind. Just a bunch of fluff opinion that Imus has, "no ratings". I watch and I know a bunch of people just like me. And I am just one person from a small town in Maine. Imus has a huge following and you are just showing your ignorance on the subject to suggest otherwise. You don't have much of a point if you have to exaggerate it.

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    Only thing I miss about RFDTV is Big Joe Polka. Happy music for happy people.

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    Jesus is actually Monday's guest.

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    Maybe Imus needs to go to Sirius radio, like Howard, to escape the censors and have the freedom to do what he wants.

    I've never been a fan of shock jocks like Imus, Sterns, and so many others. I really don't even give them the time of day.

    Yet on one hand we believe in free speech..... while on the other, many try to find ways to shut them up and take away that right, control what they can/can't say, by removing any venue they have to do so.

    But in this country anymore, when someone says something objectionable, and even downright stupid, we need to act (pounce) immediately. It's like a gestapo squad.

    Aren't we, and I'm talking abut our society as a whole, rational enough people to be able to recognize it for what it is? Which I think an overwhelming majority do.

    Do we actually believe that when someone like what Imus, or any others, say something wrongheaded or controversial that it has that strong of an influence on us, change our thinking, so that we're now going to believe that black woman are nappy headed ho's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Do we actually believe that when someone like what Imus, or any others, say something wrongheaded or controversial that it has that strong of an influence on us, change our thinking, so that we're now going to believe that black woman are nappy headed ho's?
    I could care less about anything the man ever says, I'm just still shocked Don Imus has fanboys. You're really setting the bar pretty low when that guy's your personal hero.

    It's not that Don Imus is racist (even though he clearly is), it's that he's lame.

    Completely and utterly. And that's probably more of a sin in this country than being racist. At least be interesting with your ridiculousness.

    Not to mention he's got be as old as Paul Harvey at this point. The guy's a dinosaur. Are you approaching 70 Maine? Maybe that's his demo, I don't know, I really don't get it.

    Just looked him up on wikipedia and found this comment on Howard Stern:

    "yes, Howard's a **** too, Lloyd...Plus a Jew bastard, and should be castrated... put in an oven"

    This is funny?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    I could care less about anything the man ever says, I'm just still shocked Don Imus has fanboys. You're really setting the bar pretty low when that guy's your personal hero.

    It's not that Don Imus is racist (even though he clearly is), it's that he's lame.

    Completely and utterly. And that's probably more of a sin in this country than being racist. At least be interesting with your ridiculousness.
    Hey, the number 1 radio talk personality in the country is also lame and clearly a racist. So what's so surprising about Imus having fans?

    I just turn it off.

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    I'm not even halfway to 70, but keep guessing.

    What amazes me is all the people who claim to not care what the man says who appear to be experts on everything he has ever said. If you have to go to wiki to find out about the man, you clearly have no clue about him.

    Yes, Imus has fanboys. Lots of them. That is why he rakes in the advertising dollars and why he can raise millions of dollars in not time at all. He has better demographics than just about anyone in his line of work. The fact that a bunch of redzoners think he is a dinosaur does not change that. I happen to think Stern (Linda Tripp) is a piece of useless excrement but I am not dumb enough to betlieve the whole world thinks that way.

    Shouldn't you go back to doing something productive, like blogging about your heroes, the last place Reds?

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    See- it doesn't matter if I listen or not. The question is whether the statement is racist and whether it should be on public airwaves.

    Those who bring up the First Amendment seem to forget something.

    People who speak out against him have a right to speak their mind as well.

    Which bring us right back to the original point: should something like Imus' program be allowed to continue as is? Again- it's not whether Imus has a right to say it, it's should he?

    See- I have a right to say I think my girlfriend has put on a few pounds, I have a right to say I think that Jewish people are cheap (I don't)- but should I? Should I say those things? Even if millions of people would laugh at that and say, "That's just Dom being Dom. Woo hoo!!! Man, it feels good to say that Black people get arrested a lot. It's funny, and it's harmless, and he can say anything he wants, so everybody shut up. Man, that Domster is a hoot!!"

    I mean, he can make any joke in the world he wants to, and the jokes he chooses put down people of color? When you start thinking in those terms, it shows you the type of person Imus is, and to go in front of a group of Black people and fall on his sword the way he did and then to come back and make a statement like he did towards Pac-Man Jones. C'mon, apologists. Come up with something more original than the First Amendment to hide behind.

    No one wants him jailed, we just don't our airwaves polluted with that crap. He doen't have to leave the air, just knock it off. And if you can't leave the air, then yes, leave it.

    Nobody wants to prosecute Imus for broadcasting that Venus and Serena Williams belong in National Geographic and not Sports Illustrated, but we don't want him abusing the First Amendment on airwaves that are public with that type of humor.

    And it's my First Amendment right to say so, so argue the substance of what he is saying and stop coming up with excuses for somebody.

    Are you telling me that Imus is not a talented enough broadcaster to have a show without those type of jokes? Or is he just an ordinary broadcaster until he adds edgy race jokes?

    It would be like Cal Ripken flipping the bird to an entire stadium before each at bat and then saying, "I know that's not necessary but I have a right to do it, so it's just Cal being Cal."
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    The better Cal Ripken analogy would be if he flipped the bird to the fans every night before each bat and nobody said a word and then have him flip the bird in the direction of the Rutgers basketball team one night only to have everyone flip out.

    Nobody wanted to prosecute Imus over the Williams remark because it is the accuser who is forced to make the racial inference. The Williams sisters are a couple of specimens. They are very big, strong women. Very few women have bodies like that. Did Imus say WHY they belonged in NG or are you just assuming you know why he said that? I think it is funny that whenever anyone leads you down a certain path Dom, the first thing you do is make racial inferences.

    Imus: "The Williams sisters belong in National Geographic"

    Dom: "I don't think they look like gorillas."

    Yeah, it is Imus who is the racist.

    "When you start thinking in those terms, it shows you the type of person Imus is, and to go in front of a group of Black people and fall on his sword the way he did and then to come back and make a statement like he did towards Pac-Man Jones. C'mon, apologists. Come up with something more original than the First Amendment to hide behind."

    Again, if what Imus did is so bad, why hasn't he been fired like he was before? Can't answer that one can you?

    I don't know why you can't accept Imus' explanation. It is the truth. It is why the black people on his show said nothing. You are the one making the racial inferences Dom, not Imus. Barack Obama said his grandmother was a typical white woman. Did anyone start a thread on that? Imus himself has said, what if he called someone a typical black person. Would he get away with it?

    Elect Obama, fire Imus.

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    BTW, lets not act like the only Imus defense is the first amendment. I have clearly been the loudest Imus supporter and have said plenty in his defense without using that one. I believe one person, in one post mentioned it. Now you are claiming it is the only defense being used?

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    To clarify, I don't think Imus said anything about the Williams sisters. It was the sports update guy on his show (Sid Rosenberg. In this case, Imus fired Sid and hired him back after what he determined was a 'sincere apology.' I think Sid was eventually fired from WFAN (for something not related to on-air comments) and he now has his own show down in Florida

    Now it was Imus' show, so in that respect he's responsible for the content, but he didn't say anything about the Williams sisters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    See- it doesn't matter if I listen or not. The question is whether the statement is racist and whether it should be on public airwaves.

    Those who bring up the First Amendment seem to forget something.

    People who speak out against him have a right to speak their mind as well.
    Oh, I wholeheartedly agree Dom. You're absolutely right. You have the right to voice an objection, and even protest it. But that individual is not violating any law, and more importantly - the Constitution. Unless of course it can be proven to be libelous. But you're more knowledgeable on the Constitutional law then I am.

    I had a "round the kitchen table" talk with my two teenagers (19, 17) about this topic yesterday. You know what they said?....

    "He's an idiot! But we have free speech in this country, and that means you have to take the good and the bad, or then we really don't have free speech. People say things that others don't agree with, and may be found offensive, everyday. Are we going to go after everybody, or just certain ones? And when things like that are said, it then shows that person's true "color" (character of their heart) for all to see. And people should not be losing their jobs and/or means of support simply because they say or think so."

    Which bring us right back to the original point: should something like Imus' program be allowed to continue as is? Again- it's not whether Imus has a right to say it, it's should he?
    Yes. As objectionable as it is, and he's not the only one in our society that says such things (the list grows daily).

    And this is where I have a problem Dom. This "rule" (if I may refer to it as so) is not evenly applied throughout our society. It seems it can only be applied to "white guys", because after all, only whites can be racists, and therefore say racist things.

    Isn't that "belief" (mindset) itself very stereotypical, wrong, and hateful?

    And that is what bother me. Because I'm white I'm told to "suck it up and take it" because my race, historically in this country, is the problem. Can't we see that as a society, if we want to bring true growth and further any type of "healing", then it has to be evenly applied to all cultures, or else it just creates further animosity when we go after one while allowing (justifying) the other? One "group" deserves it; but the other(s) don't?

    See- I have a right to say I think my girlfriend has put on a few pounds, I have a right to say I think that Jewish people are cheap (I don't)- but should I? Should I say those things? Even if millions of people would laugh at that and say, "That's just Dom being Dom. Woo hoo!!! Man, it feels good to say that Black people get arrested a lot. It's funny, and it's harmless, and he can say anything he wants, so everybody shut up. Man, that Domster is a hoot!!"

    I mean, he can make any joke in the world he wants to, and the jokes he chooses put down people of color? When you start thinking in those terms, it shows you the type of person Imus is
    Ever been to a Don Rickles, Jackie Mason, Richard Pryor or Chris Rock show? And many more can be listed.

    Yes, I know it's all done under the guise of humor, and I can differentiate that. But here's my point....

    All of these people's material was drawn from their life experiences, which included stereotypical views that IMHO were engrained within them, and they really do believe. And a lot of the things they said about various cultures/peoples (even their own) would be deemed hate speech in any other venue. But because it's being presented in the venue of humor it's not only acceptable, but laughable.

    Now I can understand that from those in the audience that paid to see them. They know and already expect what they are about to get. That's why they are there. But you can't tell me they weren't saying hurtful and demeaning things that many in our society wouldn't deem wrong.

    Isn't that the same with an Imus? Those that choose to listen to him (his audience) know what to expect. Those that don't like him, and even think he's an idiot (or even a racist) don't.

    And I don't understand why this huge uproar over a guy that has been doing this for how many decades now? Now it's a problem?

    and to go in front of a group of Black people and fall on his sword the way he did and then to come back and make a statement like he did towards Pac-Man Jones. C'mon, apologists. Come up with something more original than the First Amendment to hide behind.
    I don't think he should have "fallen on his sword" the first time. Especially to the likes of a Sharpton or Jackson. What he said about those Rutger girls was stupid and wrong; but again - he's been doing this for how long now? Now it was a problem?

    Nobody wants to prosecute Imus for broadcasting that Venus and Serena Williams belong in National Geographic and not Sports Illustrated, but we don't want him abusing the First Amendment on airwaves that are public with that type of humor......Are you telling me that Imus is not a talented enough broadcaster to have a show without those type of jokes?
    Ahhh, so you are saying it is humor.

    How is it abusing the First Amendment? Who defines or sets those boundaries? Is there a clause in the Constitution that covers abusing it?

    Final Point:

    When talking about "hate speech", it shouldn't just be narrowly defined to skin color should it?

    How about if someone makes a hateful, stereotypical statement about a regional people, like say Southerners? Or how about the multitude of mean and hateful things that have been broadcast over the years, and publicly said by prominent people about people of faith? And some of those things have been very hurtful and wrongly distorted many in the general public's perception of that faith. But that was the main objective in why they said it to begin with - to change and influence people's perception. And it wasn't done in a humorous/joking setting either. Bill Maher is one example.

    I'm personally a "turn the other cheek" kind of guy when I have heard those statements. I let it roll off of me. I don't let what other may say bother me. And that's my point.

    But when those situations have occurred, and people protested while many others told them they were making too much out of it and to "get a life", should those individuals have been removed from the airwaves?
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    GAC, I don't expect everyone to turn the other cheek like you do, but as a diehard Imus fan comments this one really bother me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    Which bring us right back to the original point: should something like Imus' program be allowed to continue as is?
    Dom, I guess I don't get what you (someone who doesn't listen) means by "as is". The show has been back on for 7 months and this MISUNDERSTANDING between Imus and people who have no clue what he actually meant is the first such incident. This from a man who certainly has a bunch of weenies listening to his every word waiting for a chance to pounce.

    Do like your cyberspace polluted with hate, porn and everything else under the sun? People can do anything they want on the internet to find bad things. And it is just as easy as purposely tuning into the Imus in the Morning program. Why aren't you in an uproar over those things? Why aren't you out fighting the good fight against OUR polluted cyberspace? Why just Imus? Why aren't you asking, should porn.com be allowed to continue "as is"? Why aren't you asking about Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock or the rap industry? Why just Imus?

    With the Rutgers thing Imus at first used the defense that he was a good guy who did lots of good things. He got blasted and now blast himself for using it. But to me I think it was a fair defense. The people who went after him were right, that doesn't give him the right to say whatever he wants. But the point is he was being dragged through the dirt like he was the worst thing society had ever seen. Meanwhile bad people doing bad things and saying stupid stuff are and were being ignored left and right.

    People seem to be going after Imus because they don't like him not because they think our society is going to be greatly improved if he is taken off the air. People don't care about the real problems in our world because they don't have an opinion on the person doing those bad deeds. Instead they take it out on folks like Imus. I don't know why you can't just not tune in if you don't like him and let those of us who do like him continue to enjoy him while also understanding that none of Imus' listeners are joining the KKK because of his encouragement. We laugh at his jokes, that is it. The jokes about blacks, the jokes about whites, the jokes about catholics and the jokes about Imus himself which by the way, half the jokes are about. What good does it do our society if the Imus show has cracks about every race, except one, black?

    Just out of curiosity Dom, what are your thoughts when you read comments from Carl Jeffers that Imus is doing more to foster a decent discussion on race than anyone on the public airwaves?
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