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    Re: Chris Dickerson

    Personally, I consider Ross to be, at worst, average, defensively, as an MLB catcher.

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    Re: Chris Dickerson

    Watching the Cards-Cubs game yesterday, the parallels between Chris Dickerson and Skip Schumaker struck me. Schumaker, until this season, was a 27 year old seemingly career minor leaguer whose offensive game came together gradually until he finally put up a pretty decent year in AAA last season. Schumaker is also a competent, fairly rangey defender who got his chance when his team cut loose its decllining star (Edmonds) and let go of his overpriced journeyman caddy (Taguchi).

    I could easily see this happening with the Reds and Dickerson. Dickerson is breaking out offensively in AAA this year, the Reds just let go of their declining star (Griffey), and I have to believe that the overpriced caddy (Patterson) is gone after this year. Schumaker made his improvements by increasing his batting average. Improved BA for Dickerson in AAA has had an even greater effect as he has more power and better OBP skills than Schumaker. Add that Dickerson is faster, even more rangy and is breaking out a year sooner, and it just makes the thought of Dickerson becoming the useful role player that Schumaker has proven to be even more possible (not guaranteed by any stretch). If Dickerson could do what Schumaker has, the team would solve a bunch of problems, not the least of which is fixing the OF defense with he and hopefully a better Bruce than we have seen so far out there.

    Here is a closer look at the parallels between the two:

    Code:
    Name	          AB	BB	H	2B	3B	HR	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	SB	CS	Range
    Schumaker	2615	250	769	134	20	25	0.29	0.353	0.385	0.738	89	48	2.14
    Dickerson	2193	328	570	91	27	58	0.26	0.36	0.415	0.775	135	42	2.22
    The OPS progression by age is even more interesting:

    Code:
    Age	SS	CD
    21	0.693	0.770
    22	0.693	0.775
    23	0.670	0.708
    24	0.806	0.779
    25	0.732	0.768
    26	0.730	0.864
    27	0.848	N/A
    Tony Larussa found a way to utilize his lefty hitting defensive player with great results. Can Dusty do the same?
    Last edited by mth123; 08-10-2008 at 10:15 AM.
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    Re: Chris Dickerson

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Tony Larussa found a way to utilize his lefty hitting defensive player with great results. Can Dusty do the same?
    Let's remember that Dusty can only do with what's on his 25 roster. Until and unless Dickerson gets promoted, the question is whether or not Jocketty will give Dusty the chance to utilize him.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Chris Dickerson

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I don't consider Lindy's or any of those preseason magazines (fantasy or otherwise) a credible source on these types of topics. Most comments about a catcher's defense are uninformed opinions that some one assumed based on the only stat available - the CS%. I just don't give that one much weight.
    Well, they're not getting the part about him managing pitchers well from any stat that I know of. It's probably based on reputation but might possibly come from an inside source or a scouting report that they got ahold of.

    But that's fine. I don't necessarily give them a whole lot of credibility either. I just wanted to note the sharp contrast between that and "the worst defensive player in the NL", as you termed it.

    Guess it won't matter much anyway, Ross got DFA'd and we can get back to Chris Dickerson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpresidente View Post
    Well, they're not getting the part about him managing pitchers well from any stat that I know of. It's probably based on reputation but might possibly come from an inside source or a scouting report that they got ahold of.
    Or they saw the CS% and assumed the rest. Those mags aren't that good for that level of detail. They are good for informing the average fan of the obvious stuff that people who follow closely already know. The Red Sox are good. Albert Pujols can hit. Stuff like that.
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    Is there more to come? Somebody asked manager Dusty Baker about outfielder Chris Dickerson.

    “Dickerson has had one of his better offensive years and is getting better offensively. What’s he hitting, about .280?” said Baker. “He still has some things to learn and work to do, but I have my eye on him. I go through the reports.”

    http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs...incinnatireds/
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Chris Dickerson

    With Dunn gone, is Chris headed to Cincy? I hope so, he would be a upgrade over Patterson. I would bump Dorn to Louisville when Chris gets the call.

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    Re: Chris Dickerson

    The Reds haven’t replaced Dunn on the 40-man roster and it is a sound bet that outfielder Chris Dickerson will be called up from Class AAA Louisville.

    http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/con...incinnatireds/
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Chris Dickerson

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I don't consider Lindy's or any of those preseason magazines (fantasy or otherwise) a credible source on these types of topics. Most comments about a catcher's defense are uninformed opinions that some one assumed based on the only stat available - the CS%. I just don't give that one much weight.

    Agree....I'd rather speak to the 75-year old ex-Major League Ballplayer that hangs out at the stadium whether it be a minor league one or major league one. The conversations you can get with these guys are priceless. You just need to search them out as they are out there everywhere. It's hard to get away from the game you love so much that's treated you so well.


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