"You only have to bat a thousand in two things; flying and heart transplants. Everything else you can go 4-for-5."
Poker Reese, Dmitri Young, Jose Guillen, Sean Casey, Pena, Kearns and Hamilton, being just some of the attempts to obtain pitching for a franchise that can ill afford the price of quality pitching.
Last edited by OldXOhio; 07-08-2008 at 10:23 AM.
Originally Posted by nate
Chapman can be downright pornographic at times.
And we really don't know if players resented Hamilton speaking of his faith or not. Any discussion of that is merely conjecture at this point.
Other clubhouses do quite well with unapologetic Christians. Matt Holliday, Mariano Rivera, Albert Pujols, Brandon Webb, Jeff Franceour, Sean Casey, Craig Biggio, Todd Helton, Lance Berkman, Jeff Francoeur, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, all are Christians that are very well respected by their teammates.
There are plenty of reasons why there should be tensions in the Reds clubhouse. An ownership change, several GMs, annual managerial changes, a reputation for being a lousy team, a long streak of losing seasons, and a LOT of uneasy fans. Fans don't need to play the part of Nero, looking for a "tension" scapegoat for why the team has underperformed.
Last edited by durl; 07-08-2008 at 12:30 PM.
Last edited by Unassisted; 07-15-2008 at 01:13 PM.
I agree Unassisted.....I respect the guys faith....but it could be a little much for some other people who don't bring it up or wear on there sleeve all day long.
But it works for him....and that is all that matters....just like it did for George Foster.
Good thread from when Bradley became available last year.
I had mixed emotions watching Josh last night. I was very happy for him, but in hindsight I wish we could have somehow traded someone else for Volquez. Oh well.
Last edited by BuckeyeRedleg; 07-15-2008 at 02:00 PM.
"Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself."--Winston Churchill
I saw Michael Young being interviewed during the Home Run Derby. He said they "love" having him on their team. He went on and on about Josh. Milton Bradley went out and towelled him off...having a lot of fun with him. Bradley even took him fishing, according to the article, and Hamilton is one of his close friends there. The Rangers as a team seem to have no problem with the guy. Guardado's brother was addicted to heroin and died. He can respect Hamilton for what he's overcome. No discomfort on his part.Originally Posted by Unassisted
The question then becomes, "why are the Rangers more accepting of Hamilton than the Reds appeared to be." Judging from the "autographs" comment and Phillips pointing out that other players were on the team besides Hamilton, it appears that they may have been jealous of his abilities and popularity.
I liked these lines from an SI article about when Hamilton went to Texas. It talks about teammate reactions to having Narron around Josh among other things: (http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/8638717)
To avoid a similar occurrence in Texas [Cincinnati player's attitudes], Daniels asked a few clubhouse leaders, including Kinsler, shortstop Michael Young and third baseman Hank Blalock how they thought players would react to having Narron around. "Basically what we told J.D. was, 'If this guy is going to help us win baseball games,' " says Kinsler, " 'we don't care.' " The day after the trade the Rangers held a press conference to introduce Hamilton to Dallas-area reporters. For an hour he spoke candidly about his journey back to baseball and his renewed commitment to his family and his faith. But it wasn't until Hamilton noticed Kinsler, Young and Blalock sitting in the back row that tears began to well in his eyes. "It's the support group that I have here that makes staying clean easy," he says.Already Hamilton is a fan favorite. "He is, by far, the nicest, friendliest player," says Gary Spraggins, a 27-year-old season-ticket holder. "The first week of spring training in Arizona, he's coming out onto the field with the music on the stadium speakers, and he stops in front of the fans in the outfield and leads them in singing."During another game, against the Astros, Hamilton was on base when Houston second baseman Craig Biggio, whom he'd never met, approached him. "I knew Ken Caminiti," Biggio said, referring to his former teammate who died of a drug overdose in 2004. "I know how hard it is, but you're headed in the right direction. Good going."Current teammates, opponents, and fans love the guy. The question that we should be asking is "why couldn't the Reds love him, as well." THAT could be true cause of why this current team seems to have trouble playing as one.After warmups he walks to the stands and hands a broken bat to one fan, his batting gloves to another.
I think the love comes from the fact that Hamilton had already proved his worth in his short stint with the Reds, so the Rangers were receiving a known talent. And all the publicity was connected with that. When he came up with the Reds his promotion to the majors was probably seen as a publicity stunt and unjustified by certain players. Logically, it was. No one in the history of baseball has ever played 15 games in A ball, not played a game for 3 years, then been on the opening day ML roster. It wasn't until after Josh proved himself that the logic changed but I'm guessing by then certain Reds had already made their minds up about how they felt about him. He was an outsider (rule 5) that stole the team's thunder with a familiar back story that is easy to hate (he was still that former golden boy who gets everything handed to him). The Rangers got a solid ML bat with a back story that is impossible to hate (former golden boy redeems himself and becomes solid ML player).
Last edited by The Baumer; 07-15-2008 at 06:40 PM.
I agree, Baumer. I understand that in the highly competitive world of professional baseball, there will be players that will think that Hamilton hadn't paid his baseball dues and be jealous of the attention he received. My concern is that if the Reds clubhouse has too many players that were upset that media attention didn't come their way or if they felt Hamilton was too nice to fans, THAT reveals something about the psychological makeup of the team. Whereas Texas players wanted a good player that would help them win, there are clues that would lead one to believe that some Reds players were more concerned about receiving the spotlight or maintaining an image than winning.
This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.