Josh Hamilton: 82 RBIs in 334 at-bats
Griffey and Dunn: 85 RBIs in 547 at-bats
(not sure if today is included)
Josh Hamilton: 82 RBIs in 334 at-bats
Griffey and Dunn: 85 RBIs in 547 at-bats
(not sure if today is included)
Last edited by Matt700wlw; 07-04-2008 at 04:42 PM.
Hamilton - Actual Runners on Base: 252
Dunn - Actual Runners on Base: 191
Jr - Actual Runners on Base: 195
Just to add to the argument to commence.
"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."
--Woody Hayes
Obviously Hamilton is the more valuable and productive player, I don't think that will be doubted. And as Mario pointed out, if you want to look at a team dependent statistic, such as RBI's, you need to evaluate the situation for all players involved. If Dunn was presented with the same opportunity as Hamilton has had, assuming his RBI production would remain constant, he would have roughly 65 RBI's (making him for the top 10 in baseball).... not too shabby.
Hamilton young...... Griffey old
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Griffey very large sample RBI 1737Originally Posted by GAC
Dunn large sample RBI 621
Hamilton career high, small sample RBI 129
Last edited by Spring~Fields; 07-04-2008 at 05:37 PM.
Code:Player Contact% BABIP HR rate BB rate K rate BB/K FB% GB% LD% Josh Hamilton .820 .333 17.2 11.3 5.5 0.49 322 .460 .217 Ken Griffey Jr. .821 .256 27.4 6.0 5.6 0.94 429 .389 .181 Adam Dunn .652 .248 12.7 3.8 2.9 0.75 482 .357 .161Code:RK PLAYER RC RC27 ISOP SECA GB FB G/F BB/PA BB/K 20Josh Hamilton 67.2 7.43 .246 .353 130 91 1.43 .085 0.54 147Ken Griffey Jr. 42.2 4.95 .166 .329 93 101 0.92 .141 0.94 162Adam Dunn 55.7 7.09 .284 .542 61 84 0.73 .201 0.76Code:RK PLAYER GP TPA #PIT P/PA TB XBH HBP IBB GDP SH SF 20 Josh Hamilton 84 378 1400 3.70 185 41 2 2 5 0 8 147 Ken Griffey Jr.82 341 1348 3.95 117 26 1 12 6 0 3 162 Adam Dunn 83 339 1468 4.33 135 33 4 4 4 0 3
Hamilton hits third, Dunn 5th. Hamilton has HUGE protection in Bradley, Dunn has? Jr's skills have been declining, we all know that. Would Hamilton make one lick of difference in the Reds lineup right now?
nope, because EV would be 10-3 for the Rangers.
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This just in: Dunn is not a great "RBI guy". He is a very good runs guy who often bats ahead of other poor "RBI guys".
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
A lot of the problem with RBI stats is there has to be runners on to get on (unless you hit a HR). The Reds don't get enough hits to put a lot of runners on. I imagine Hamilton would have far less RBI's if he played on today's Reds. When you're getting 5-7 hits a game, that doesn't leave many runners to drive in.
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This was on McAlister's blog. Just another "Josh Hamilton is the greatest player/human being on the planet" post from Lance. He loves him some Hamilton.
I love Hammy too, the kid is supertalented. Unfortunately Pitching costs so much and considering Volquez's worth to us now and in the future you can't help but be fine with dealing Hammy. I certainly would have tried to deal someone else for Volquez but reportedly the Rangers wanted Hamilton for him and wasn't going to budge.
"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."
--Woody Hayes
Don't get me wrong, I like him a lot. I root for him on the field, despite his tendency to be overbearing with the "I'm on a mission" stuff. I'll always root for him off the field.
But certain people make it a point to mention Hamilton in relation to Dunn, which I find absurd. I also tire of the constant "story". At some point he has to become just a great baseball player...not a great story who plays baseball. I look forward to that point...hopefully not too long after the all-star break.
....And Edinson Volquez is wayyyy better than any pitcher on the Rangers staff.
I'll take the pitcher, and Dunn, please.
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I differ just a bit, I am greedier.
They can have Griffey and Dunn also, give me two more Volquez's or Billingsley's or Masterson's and combination.
I have seen what those three guys can do against good pitching, nothing.
Just to play devil's advocate...I differ just a bit, I am greedier.
They can have Griffey and Dunn also, give me two more Volquez's or Billingsley's or Masterson's and combination.
I have seen what those three guys can do against good pitching, nothing.
There is a reason why Texas, yes the dreaded awful Texas is 44-43 and we are 41-47. You know the reason? Runs. Glorious runs. Yes, you can have all the pitching you want or desire, but without runs, you still lose. Bottom line is if the other club scores more runs than you do, you lose. Nothing replaces runs. Losing 3-2 or 3-0 (as the Nationals did today) says you had good pitching, but you still lost because you didn't have any hitting--and here is where we are today. We've mortgaged our team for pitching (not bad if you have hitting) and we still rank in the lower half of the league in that while we have no hitting.
Look at the statistics for this team. Trading Dunn, Griffey, et al (or losing them to free agency) cripples this club even more. The offense is putrid and the pitching is marginally bad. I'd say it's hopeless, but I keep looking at Hamilton's number and wondering.
Pitching is fickle. Our No. 1 is hurting. Our No. 2 is off of two horrible outings. Our No. 3 has had a good game today. Our No. 4 is a rookie. It appears our No. 5 is Josh Fogg. Oh my goodness. And yet, we've spent the greater part of the last two years negating offense for pitching and the result is still the same--more losing seasons.
I do not know the answer, but I think we need to look at the situation a little differently. I know everyone loves a good pitching performance, but this offense is simply emasculated these days. Allowing 4 runs is nice unless you score 5. We're not doing that. And so it goes.
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