http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...oeur_0704.html
Sounds like he is unhappy in ATL now. I'd at least pursue the asking price for him.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...oeur_0704.html
Sounds like he is unhappy in ATL now. I'd at least pursue the asking price for him.
The guy has a Clemente-type arm. He's definitely struggling with the stick, though.Originally Posted by kaldaniels
sorry we're boring
-Drafted by hometown team out of HS.
-RF.
-Good arm.
-Started out on fire after only 3 years in the minors and has decreased in production every year since.
-Now a .761 career OPS.
Austin Kearns anyone?
Nah, Kearns can get on base.
Never saw a pitch he didn't like.
Not Austin Kearns, more like Corey Patterson if he doesn't fix that.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
Austin Kearns get's on base? Really? JF first 3 years are better than all but 1 season of whatever AK has done.
Having said that....it amazed me he was able to do that without any plate discipline at all.
Francouer is a phenomenal athlete. But he's a good example of what can't happen if you don't have any plate discipline. I'm just glad Phillips hasn't had the same thing happen to him. Some players can get by without it, most can't.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
Really.
That's a pretty sizable gap in OBP. Kearns has had a better career to date (note their respective OPS+), so I'm not sure why you think Francoeur's first three years are better than all but one of Kearns'.Code:Career AVG OBP SLG OPS+ Francoeur .272 .313 .447 96 Kearns .261 .355 .439 107
Without getting to deep into it, the point is there are many similarities between the two, beyond putting their OBP under an electron miscroscope.
Okay then.....1 could stay healthier than the other.
He's a flawed hitter...I agree. But if he can be had for 50 cents on the dollar I'm all ears.
I thought Kearns was Ears.
I'd take him too, but I don't think the Braves are going to trade him. He's a hometown boy, a fan favorite, and I think it's going to take more than an early season slump for him to be kicked out the door. I always figured that at one point or another his lack of plate discipline would catch up to him in a major way, and apparently it has. But I think he'll come out of it eventually, and the Braves aren't an organization prone to panic.
40 points of OBP is hardly microscopic. It's the difference between being a solidly productive hitter and a borderline productive one. If he could take a walk, he'd still be in the majors.
Last edited by RedsManRick; 07-05-2008 at 05:21 PM.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
I want no part of this guy. Similar to the Mets and Jose Reyes - but to a much greater his extent - the Braves have decimated the guy's potential by overpromoting him.
He thinks he's "the man" and he never, ever has been. He will never change his approach, and guys with his approach should not be starting for major league teams.
A good rule of thumb is if a guy has a career .300 on base percentage in the minor leagues, you don't reward him by letting him skip Triple-A and sending him to the majors at age 21.
Stick to your guns.
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