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Thread: Buyers or sellers?

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    Buyers or sellers?

    If the Reds win today and the Cards lose, they will be 5 games out of the Wild Card race with 4 teams above them. I'm on the fence, kinda.
    Last edited by Wheelhouse; 07-13-2008 at 09:33 AM.
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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    IMHO, it's far more complicated, cannot be simplified, simply by asking do we buy or sell.

    It depends on what other teams might be interested in, and what we can get in return.

    This has been a very inconsistent ball club this year.

    If we come out of the AS break and get swept by the Mets... who are on fire right now (10-2 in July, and won 8 straight).... do we then change our position and become sellers again?
    Last edited by GAC; 07-13-2008 at 09:48 AM.
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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    I'm on the fence for the point that GAC made. Say we win today agains CC and the Brewers and the do lose.. facing the Mets for a 4 game series is going to be a test. It's always going to be a series with this ball club. I'd say wait until after the Mets series and go from there.
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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    IMHO, it's far more complicated, cannot be simplified, simply by asking do we buy or sell.

    It depends on what other teams might be interested in, and what we can get in return.

    This has been a very inconsistent ball club this year.

    If we come out of the AS break and get swept by the Mets... who are on fire right now (10-2 in July, and won 8 straight).... do we then change our position and become buyers again?
    You mean sellers?

    I agree. The good thing about where the Reds stand is the number of teams to jump. It's only like 4. If they can get to 3 or 4 games out by July 25th, I'd stand firm. Take a (long) shot.

    Now, if they're 6 or 7 games out with 6 or 7 teams to jump...I'd be making some phone calls and ordering boxes and packing peanuts for a few guys.
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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11 View Post
    You mean sellers?
    Thanks for pointing that out guttle. My mistake :
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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    I'm for holding onto Adam Dunn.

    Other than him, honestly, there is really not much to sell.

    At least not much that would bring much back in return.

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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    I'd wait another week and a half to truly decide.

    But it would also depend on what the buying currency would be.

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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    If I'm Walt, I listen to others, watch my teams performance and wait two weeks before doing anything drastic. There is a reason there is 162 game schedule and teams aren't proclaimed world champs in early July--for instance, where at Shea are they hanging those post season 2007 banners?

    The Reds have to sell seats for the rest of the year and a fire sale when the team appears to be coming around isn't exactly the signal Mr. C probably wants to send.

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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    There's no reason to wait two weeks to decide anything. The game is 3.5 months old. We're not going to learn anything new in the next two weeks that we don't know already. It's not a contender and they shouldn't make any decisions as if they are.
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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM View Post
    There's no reason to wait two weeks to decide anything. The game is 3.5 months old. We're not going to learn anything new in the next two weeks that we don't know already. It's not a contender and they shouldn't make any decisions as if they are.
    I see your point, but there's no reason to sell in the next week, either. Let the market dictate itself.

    But at some point you have to throw logic to the wind and go for it. If the Reds get hot after the break and are only a few games back, right in the thick of the hunt, you have to go for it. Especially with a team full of parts that aren't in the future, but really aren't in anyone else's present either.

    I should point out that I don't want them to be buyers if they reach that point. Just not sellers.
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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    IMHO, it's far more complicated, cannot be simplified, simply by asking do we buy or sell.

    It depends on what other teams might be interested in, and what we can get in return.

    This has been a very inconsistent ball club this year.

    If we come out of the AS break and get swept by the Mets... who are on fire right now (10-2 in July, and won 8 straight).... do we then change our position and become sellers again?
    You're right, it is complicated. I don't see that anything has changed. The Reds GM should consider trades if it improves the talent of the organization. That's what any GM should do. I get the feeling that some around here think we'll acquire significant riches if we trade away our veterans. I look at what we've gotten in the past and it seems to me that we're most likely to get players like Marcus McBeth, Scott Winchester, Tyler Pelland, Phil Dumatrait and Matt Belisle rather than Aaron Harang. The Harang deal involved a starting outfielder with good numbers who was signed cheaply. I think it's also fair to say that Harang exceeded the ceiling he arrived with. Kudos to him.

    It's not worth it to trade Affeldt, Hairston and Weathers for AAAA players like Belisle and McBeth.

    If I'm Walt I'll seek offers for any of my veterans but I'd only trade them if I think I'm getting something of value in return, such as Bagwell for Andersen or Smoltz for Alexander.

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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    I picked 'sell', but for me it should be carefully selected sell, not a complete firesale.

    Sell:
    Weathers (who they are showcasing. Did you see the MLB.COM article on how much better his ERA is on the road than in GABP?)

    Freel, if anyone wants him.

    Griffey, if there are any takers.

    Arroyo, if we can get a strong B level prospect or two.

    Fogg, for a prospect or two.

    I would keep Ross, who is 31, and sell Bako (age 36) or Javier (almost 33).

    I would keep Dunn, but that is a subject for it's own thread (or 10).
    Last edited by mbgrayson; 07-13-2008 at 11:55 AM.
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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    While this isn't encouraging...

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/st.../standings.php

    I'm not so sure this is the same team that created the weak RS/RA total. With the addition of Ross hitting, the entire infield is now OPS-ing over .800. Encarnacion is hot. Phillips is Phillips. Votto is solid. Hairston has been a spark-plug having a career year.

    In the OF, Dunn is on the verge of going on a tear. If not, you can still expect 40 HR and 100 RBI with a .900 OPS. Bruce will only get better. Griffey can only either A. get better or B. get injured whereas he'll be replaced by someone better all-around.

    The bullpen is solid with Cordero, Burton, Lincoln, Affelt, Bray, and even Weathers (at times). There is help on the farm with Roenicke. The rotation is coming around as Volquez has been Cy Young to this point. Cueto has been hot. Arroyo has career K numbers and has been unlucky (BABIP). There is help on the farm (hopefully) between Elizardo, I mean Daryl Thompson, Bailey, and Maloney. If one of those guys can step up it would be huge. Harang is the key. If he can get back to where he was the past few years in the 2nd half, this team can make a run. I wouldn't mind seeing them rid themselves of Javy Valentin (as he serves basically zero purpose) and Corey Patterson and bringing up Roenicke and Dickerson.

    I could have a point here or I could also just be drinking the kool-aid.

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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    I'll combine mbgrayson and BuckeyeRedlegs' viewpoints. Add a touch of buy (a RH power bat). Listen to offers for Hairston but it would have be a very good return as I'm selling the guy high. Keep Dunn unless someone knocks me over and take the draft picks (that's assuming they don't re-sign him). Moving Arroyo, Freel and Junior if possible, the first two for payroll considerations and Junior gives Bruce a full time slot where he belongs in RF. Moving Weathers lets Roenicke come up. In other words not selling from need but from strength.
    Last edited by RedlegJake; 07-13-2008 at 12:37 PM.

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    Re: Buyers or sellers?

    Trade Griffey, Weathers, and maybe Affeldt for now. Losing those guys and replacing them with in house options like Hairston in CF for now and Roenicke in the bullpen could actually improve the team a little. If the Reds fall further out then go into complete sell mode...
    I miss Adam Dunn.


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