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    There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    I get sick of hearing about how Junior and Dunn have "earned" their spot, so Dusty isn't going to shake the trees and platoon these guys against lefties. Their numbers are atrocious.

    Junior: .206/.322/.333
    Dunn: .179/.375/.321

    Hairston should take at least one of these guys spot and start Keppinger at short whenever a left hander is pitching.

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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    Hairston is now hurt. There goes the season.
    Who's on first?

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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    I know, Hairston and Keppinger should start a lot against lefties unless Jr or Dunn have good career numbers against that pitcher. The approach our lefties took against CC was really disgusting, Jr's pinch hit....lmao. The whole game CC just threw that outside slider against every single lefty. I would say about 75% of the time it was a ball, but our guys couldnt lay off of it and that was a big reason CC's pitch count never went up and he was still pitching in the freaking 9th inning. I understand he is a great pitcher but our guys should have jus been up there taking more pitches and there would have been a lot of 3 ball counts then CC could have been gone in or after the 7th.
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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    Junior and Dunn are too proud to read the scouting report. I'm sure they think they know it all and just wing it when they go up to bat.
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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    Junior and Dunn are too proud to read the scouting report. I'm sure they think they know it all and just wing it when they go up to bat.
    You cant be serious. I am not a Dunn fan and Jr needs to retire but to insult them like this is just over the top.
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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    A .375 OBP is not atrocious. The rest of those numbers aren't good at all, but having a .375 OBP hitting high in the order is not hurting the team.
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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    I might add that it hurts the team a lot more that Keppinger and Phillips hit high in the order against RHPs.

    Keppinger:

    .257/.306/.331

    Phillips:

    .241/.284/.374

    ... a lot more RHPs than LHPs out there...
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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    Wow, I was not aware of those numbers so far. Having said that, Dunn usually fares pretty well against LHP, and while the average is pretty bad right now, he's at least getting on base. I would like to be able to maybe platoon Jr. against LHP, but we don't have anybody out there who would fare any better (Patterson? No...), and if they could, they would likely deserve to start everyday over him, anyway.
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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    I lost respect for Jr. a long time ago when the player that he was in Seattle suddenly disappeared. I still remember when he came to the Reds and everyone thought it would be the reincarnaton of the Big Red Machine. Instead it has been the worse decade of our history. I've been ready for Griffey to go since 2001.

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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    You have to earn respect?

    Dunn and Jr. have both lost my respect with their lazy play.
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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    I thing Junior should be hitting in the 7 hole, even against righties. He's just not an elite hitter anymore.

    1-Hairston
    2-Bruce
    3-Dunn
    4-Phillips
    5-Votto
    6-EE
    7-Griffey
    8-Bako/Ross/Some guy off the street who would be just as good

    If you go by the numbers, here are the percentages of Inherited Runners Knocked In for each of the Reds listed above:
    Hairston:23%
    Bruce: 19%
    Dunn: 19%
    Phillips: 19%
    Votto: 21%
    EE: 17%
    Griffey: 20%
    Bako: 17%
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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfanmia View Post
    You cant be serious. I am not a Dunn fan and Jr needs to retire but to insult them like this is just over the top.
    Dunn seems to go deep into the count unless it is against a lefty. Against righties he takes to many border pitches to satify me. Against lefties like CC he waves at three pitches.

    The sad thing about Junior is that the Jr you see now is the one that you will remember.

    John Kruk looked better against Randy Johnson in the All Star game than either one of these guys looked against CC.

    As far as insults go, how is the truth an insult?

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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    I might add that it hurts the team a lot more that Keppinger and Phillips hit high in the order against RHPs.

    ... a lot more RHPs than LHPs out there...
    DING DING DING!!! Show him what he's won Bob!!

    Phillips is nailed into that 4 slot regardless, even though he's HORRIFIC and bounces into more Double Plays than is humanly possible. And don't forget EE's struggles with RHP.

    Everybody's worried about us facing tough lefties, but we've got these splits down the line:

    Versus RHP:
    Code:
    *J Cabrera	7*	17*	1*	7*	1*	0*	0*	2*	2*	4*	0*	0*	.412*	.474*	.471*	.944*
    *J Hairston Jr.	51*	124*	19*	41*	9*	2*	1*	15*	5*	17*	10*	1*	.331*	.362*	.460*	.821*
    *Jay Bruce	43*	108*	18*	32*	5*	0*	6*	17*	8*	27*	1*	2*	.296*	.347*	.509*	.857*
    *David Ross	34*	53*	4*	15*	6*	0*	2*	7*	12*	11*	0*	0*	.283*	.424*	.509*	.934*
    *Joey Votto	88*	204*	23*	56*	15*	0*	7*	18*	20*	33*	2*	2*	.275*	.339*	.451*	.790*
    *Ryan Freel	43*	69*	8*	18*	2*	0*	0*	6*	4*	11*	3*	2*	.261*	.297*	.290*	.587*
    *Jeff Keppinger	57*	148*	15*	38*	8*	0*	1*	10*	10*	8*	2*	1*	.257*	.306*	.331*	.637*
    *Adam Dunn	91*	204*	38*	51*	9*	0*	23*	50*	46*	64*	1*	1*	.250*	.385*	.632*	1.017*
    *K Griffey Jr.	89*	212*	31*	53*	9*	0*	10*	31*	38*	33*	0*	1*	.250*	.361*	.434*	.795*
    *J Valentín	39*	56*	2*	14*	4*	0*	0*	6*	4*	10*	0*	0*	.250*	.295*	.321*	.617*
    *B Phillips	92*	257*	33*	62*	12*	2*	6*	31*	16*	55*	11*	3*	.241*	.284*	.374*	.658*
    *E Encarnación	84*	211*	28*	50*	12*	1*	12*	28*	17*	40*	0*	0*	.237*	.303*	.474*	.777*
    *Paul Bako	63*	141*	20*	30*	4*	0*	3*	16*	20*	37*	0*	2*	.213*	.311*	.305*	.616*
    *C Patterson	65*	164*	23*	33*	9*	1*	6*	15*	7*	19*	8*	3*	.201*	.233*	.378*	.611*
    *S Hatteberg	30*	42*	3*	8*	3*	0*	0*	5*	6*	5*	0*	1*	.190*	.286*	.262*	.548*
    *A Phillips	14*	12*	2*	2*	0*	0*	0*	1*	2*	3*	0*	0*	.167*	.286*	.167*	.452*
    *Norris Hopper	20*	24*	2*	3*	0*	0*	0*	1*	3*	3*	0*	0*	.125*	.250*	.125*	.375*
    *Paul Janish	21*	40*	1*	4*	0*	0*	0*	2*	3*	13*	0*	0*	.100*	.200*	.100*	.300*
    Versus LHP:
    Code:
    *J Hairston Jr.	35*	64*	15*	25*	8*	0*	1*	7*	9*	9*	5*	2*	.391*	.461*	.563*	1.023*
    *Jeff Keppinger	32*	66*	6*	25*	1*	1*	2*	12*	9*	0*	0*	0*	.379*	.453*	.515*	.968*
    *B Phillips	55*	115*	20*	42*	6*	3*	9*	27*	8*	9*	8*	1*	.365*	.408*	.704*	1.112*
    *Ryan Freel	23*	62*	9*	21*	6*	0*	0*	4*	4*	7*	3*	2*	.339*	.388*	.435*	.824*
    *Paul Janish	14*	24*	2*	8*	1*	0*	0*	3*	3*	3*	0*	0*	.333*	.407*	.375*	.782*
    *E Encarnación	47*	86*	19*	27*	7*	0*	3*	7*	16*	13*	1*	0*	.314*	.427*	.500*	.927*
    *Joey Votto	51*	104*	16*	30*	3*	0*	6*	22*	13*	31*	2*	2*	.288*	.370*	.490*	.860*
    *Norris Hopper	13*	26*	1*	7*	0*	0*	0*	0*	2*	3*	1*	0*	.269*	.321*	.269*	.591*
    *David Ross	27*	50*	7*	12*	1*	0*	1*	5*	9*	14*	0*	1*	.240*	.350*	.320*	.670*
    *Paul Bako	37*	62*	5*	14*	2*	2*	3*	10*	3*	22*	0*	0*	.226*	.262*	.468*	.729*
    *Jay Bruce	28*	55*	8*	12*	3*	0*	0*	4*	7*	18*	1*	1*	.218*	.313*	.273*	.585*
    *K Griffey Jr.	55*	103*	12*	21*	7*	0*	2*	13*	17*	25*	0*	0*	.204*	.320*	.330*	.650*
    *Adam Dunn	52*	86*	10*	15*	3*	0*	3*	9*	23*	35*	0*	0*	.174*	.371*	.314*	.685*
    *C Patterson	23*	35*	5*	5*	0*	0*	0*	1*	1*	6*	2*	2*	.143*	.189*	.143*	.332*
    *J Valentín	12*	14*	2*	2*	2*	0*	0*	1*	1*	2*	0*	0*	.143*	.200*	.286*	.486*
    *A Phillips	10*	16*	0*	2*	2*	0*	0*	4*	0*	3*	0*	0*	.125*	.125*	.250*	.375*
    Keppinger's OBP against RHP is .300; which is still better than Phillips, who is actually PATHETIC against RHP, with a .374 slugging percentage - which is LESS THAN COREY PATTERSON - and a .658 OPS against Righties, where he gets 70% of his At bats... Talk about OVERRATED. But let's focus on the 30% of the pitching we face for Dunn, who despite a .170 BA, STILL OUT-OPS's versus Lefties what BP does against Righties!!!!

    PEACE

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    Last edited by BLEEDS; 07-14-2008 at 01:10 PM.
    I think that in a year or two, one of these guys - Frazier, Dorn, Valaika, Cumberland, Stubbs - will be ready to replace Dunn. They won't hit as many home runs as Dunn, but they should have similar OPS. - 757690, July 22, 2008

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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    Quote Originally Posted by BlfdVaFan View Post
    Dunn seems to go deep into the count unless it is against a lefty. Against righties he takes to many border pitches to satify me. Against lefties like CC he waves at three pitches.
    He has a .371 OBP against lefties, so...

    Quote Originally Posted by BlfdVaFan View Post
    As far as insults go, how is the truth an insult?
    Hate for "FACTS" to get in the way of the "TRUTH"...

    PEACE

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    I think that in a year or two, one of these guys - Frazier, Dorn, Valaika, Cumberland, Stubbs - will be ready to replace Dunn. They won't hit as many home runs as Dunn, but they should have similar OPS. - 757690, July 22, 2008

    Alonso will be playing 1B for the REDS and batting 4th one year from today. - Kingspoint, July 9, 2009

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    Re: There comes a time when you have to throw "respect" out the window

    and, just to check, we ARE talking about a guy who's posting this line in July right?!?!:


    G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
    *July 11 37 6 10 1 0 6 11 3 11 0 0 0.270 0.333 0.784 1.117

    PEACE

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    I think that in a year or two, one of these guys - Frazier, Dorn, Valaika, Cumberland, Stubbs - will be ready to replace Dunn. They won't hit as many home runs as Dunn, but they should have similar OPS. - 757690, July 22, 2008

    Alonso will be playing 1B for the REDS and batting 4th one year from today. - Kingspoint, July 9, 2009


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