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    Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    The Rangers activated Gerald Laird off the disabled list on Saturday after he missed a month because of a pulled hamstring muscle. He made his first start on Sunday and continues to draw interest from both the Reds and the Yankees. The Rangers want top young pitching prospects in return and that's keeping any deal from getting done right now.

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    Re: Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    Laird would be an upgrade, but if its a top young pitcher, I'd want Teagarden. A guy like Travis Wood for Laird would be ok.
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    I prefer Teagarden but I'd settle for Laird.
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    Salty. Doable?

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    Re: Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    I don't understand this at all. The grass is greener on the other side, I guess.

    Gerald Laird, 28: 1064 AB, .257/.308/.387
    Dave Ross, 31: 1095 AB, .226/.312/.443

    Well, I guess he hits for a higher batting average. That should make some people happy, even if he's not actually an upgrade. Reds baseball -- gotta love it.
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    Re: Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I prefer Teagarden but I'd settle for Laird.
    Eighther one of Teagarden or Laird would be a huge improvement to what we've got.

    Neighther one of our catchers is very good behind the plate.
    Last edited by Ron Madden; 07-27-2008 at 05:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I don't understand this at all. The grass is greener on the other side, I guess.

    Gerald Laird, 28: 1064 AB, .257/.308/.387
    Dave Ross, 31: 1095 AB, .226/.312/.443

    Well, I guess he hits for a higher batting average. That should make some people happy, even if he's not actually an upgrade. Reds baseball -- gotta love it.
    Laird can actually catch the ball. Ross not so much. Since the position is called Catcher, that's important.

    Sorry for the snark. I like your posts, but can't wait for Ross to be out from behind the plate in Cincy.
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    Re: Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Laird can actually catch the ball. Ross not so much. Since the position is called Catcher, that's important.
    Without getting into the specifics of Laird's defense versus Ross', because I don't know enough about Laird to have an educated opinion, I agree in principle. Catcher is not a spot where I just wave my hand and say "play whoever hits better."
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    Re: Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed View Post
    Without getting into the specifics of Laird's defense versus Ross', because I don't know enough about Laird to have an educated opinion, I agree in principle. Catcher is not a spot where I just wave my hand and say "play whoever hits better."
    Please, please don't bring Laird to town to be the starting catcher. I watch a lot of Ranger games and truly believe he is only marginally better than Ross. Both are basically nice back ups but not the kind you want catching 130 games a year.

    Bringing in Laird would be a lateral move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    Please, please don't bring Laird to town to be the starting catcher. I watch a lot of Ranger games and truly believe he is only marginally better than Ross. Both are basically nice back ups but not the kind you want catching 130 games a year.

    Bringing in Laird would be a lateral move.
    Sounds like you've seen him more than me, so I'll stand corrected. Its hard to swallow though, IMO anybody has to be better than Ross back there.
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    Re: Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    Please, please don't bring Laird to town to be the starting catcher. I watch a lot of Ranger games and truly believe he is only marginally better than Ross. Both are basically nice back ups but not the kind you want catching 130 games a year.

    Bringing in Laird would be a lateral move.
    I agree with this. He's an upgrade over Ross, but it's not substantial. He's certainly not worth giving up a top pitching prospect for.

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    Re: Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    So who, of the 3 catchers in Texas, would be the realistic upgrade for the Reds?

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    Re: Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Laird can actually catch the ball. Ross not so much. Since the position is called Catcher, that's important.

    Sorry for the snark. I like your posts, but can't wait for Ross to be out from behind the plate in Cincy.
    I agree, Ross is a pretty poor receiver, but at the end of the day, overall production and the overall level of talent in the organization is what I care about.

    If all you want is a guy who can catch the ball, I don't necessarily disagree with that approach. But we've got a few of those in the minor leagues. There's no need to give up talent in a trade for a catch-and-throw catcher.

    Release Javy, call up Hannigan, Tatum or whoever our best defensive catcher is these days. If I trade talent away, I would want to actually fix a hole in the team, not merely shift the problem from defense to offense.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 07-27-2008 at 06:04 PM.
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    Re: Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    Given the catcher stable in Texas of Salty, Teagarden, Max Ramirez and Laird, the one that I would not really want is Laird. I hope the Reds set their sights higher. Teagarden really ought to be available.

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    Re: Reds one of two teams pursuing Gerald Laird

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I don't understand this at all. The grass is greener on the other side, I guess.

    Gerald Laird, 28: 1064 AB, .257/.308/.387
    Dave Ross, 31: 1095 AB, .226/.312/.443

    Well, I guess he hits for a higher batting average. That should make some people happy, even if he's not actually an upgrade. Reds baseball -- gotta love it.
    He's different. And different is better. Right?
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