A last appeal for Reds management to do SOMETHING

[Kingspoint]

Jocketty - 6 NL Central Championships, 2 NLCS Titles, 1 World Series Title
Reds during that periond - uhhhh nothing, oh yeah we had a 1 game playoff once

All purchased with Tens of Millions of dollars through Free Agency or players that were on the verge of Free Agency that commanded top dollar and he traded for them. He does not have a reputation for identifying and finding younger talent in exchange for current major league players, such as Krivsky did. This is the situation that the REDS are in. He's proving right now that he still does not have a reputation for doing so.

I'm very pleased though with how he's handling the current pitching situations of Harang and Thompson and Bailey.

[kpresidente]

Do something?

I hope they don't do anything.

[Jack Burton]

First thing, dump Griffey the cancer to any AL team that is stupid enough to take him. Next, fire the entire coaching staff. They have made a mockery of this once great franchise long enough.

[Griffey012]

All purchased with Tens of Millions of dollars through Free Agency or players that were on the verge of Free Agency that commanded top dollar and he traded for them. He does not have a reputation for identifying and finding younger talent in exchange for current major league players, such as Krivsky did. This is the situation that the REDS are in. He's proving right now that he still does not have a reputation for doing so.

I'm very pleased though with how he's handling the current pitching situations of Harang and Thompson and Bailey.

I'll agree with you there, but many times his bigger free agent acquisitions were very productive in the Cards Uni, and they were typically 1 or 2 pieces away and he was a buyer instead of a seller. He did pluck Wainwright for J.D. Drew. Drafted Drew, Pujols, traded not much for a young Renteria, drafted Matt Morris, but the key thing is that Jocketty never gets the bad side of a trade or if so it rarely happens. He gets rid of and acquires guys at the right time for the right packages.

So to judge him and say he doesn't have the knack for young talent is a little extreme, he was always in a win now mode in St. Louis with good teams, and never gave up good young talent outside of Dan Haren. He also typically didn't overpay and hang onto players too long, something Krivsky liked to do. And in retrospect, most of Krivsky's moves for good young talent involvedpicking up players for nothin ala Phillips, Keppinger, etc. His deadline dishoffs haven't brought much successful young talent, but the jury is still out on some of the players.

[kpresidente]

All purchased with Tens of Millions of dollars through Free Agency or players that were on the verge of Free Agency that commanded top dollar and he traded for them. He does not have a reputation for identifying and finding younger talent in exchange for current major league players, such as Krivsky did. This is the situation that the REDS are in. He's proving right now that he still does not have a reputation for doing so.

I'm very pleased though with how he's handling the current pitching situations of Harang and Thompson and Bailey.

Looking at things with my rose-colored glasses on, I'd say the transition from WK to Jocketty was perfect timing. WK did have a nose finding hidden talent. He came from being an assistant GM, where his job was probably to scour the bottom of the barrel while his boss handled the real negotiations. And I think he did a pretty good job of stocking the organization with decent talent. We have a ton of great role-players and B-grade prospects.

But WK floundered when it came to FA acquisitions and extensions. The only one that worked out from him so far was Phillips, and he hasn't hit his payday yet. We'll revisit it in a couple years when he's making $10M+.

Now, though, we need better talent at the top end, and Jocketty is probably as good a guy as any to be pulling those strings, based on his record in STL.

[Fon Duc Tow]

You know what is interesting...

Patterson batting leadoff and Griffey in the 3 spot were two BIG reasons why the Reds were in the basement for most of the first half.

Dusty has said as much that Griffey is batting 3rd "out of respect for Junior."

So, in a way, this 2008 season is in the toilet "out of respect for Junior."

Thanks Dusty!

[TheBigLebowski]

Don't use the fact that WJ had some pretty good amounts of cash at his disposal in STL as a perjorative. There are plenty of GM's who have had plenty of money to work with who still found ways to lose and lose big. Money can't necessarily buy success anymore. You still need sound baseball knowledge and you still need a plan.