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    The Lost Decade

    Ineptitude continues to scale the mountain.
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    	 W	 L	 pct	p-wins	p-losses   p-pct   Runs    RA	 Diff    Runs/G    RA/G
    
    2001	66	96	.407	  69	   93	   .428    735    850	 -115     4.54     5.25
    2002	78	84	.481	  74	   88	   .456    709    774	  -65     4.38     4.78
    2003	69	93	.426	  62	  100	   .380    694    886	 -192     4.28     5.47
    2004	76	86	.469	  66	   96	   .406    750    907	 -157     4.63     5.60
    2005	73	89	.451	  74	   88	   .460    820    889	  -69     5.06     5.49
    2006	80	82	.494	  76	   86	   .466    749    801	  -52     4.62     4.94
    2007	72	90	.444	  74	   88      .457    783    853	  -70     4.83     5.27
    2008	50	58	.463	  47	   61	   .431    467    537	  -70     4.32     4.97
    											
    TOTAL  564     678      .454	 541	  701	   .436   5707   6497	 -790     4.60     5.23
    We're pretty much now looking at the 3rd worst stretch in franchise history for this organization; only the early 30s and the late 40s/early 50s were worse. In fact, the last time the Reds were this bad for this long they were an all white team and hadn't yet integrated. And if this organization doesn't improve pretty quickly over the next few years, then they're in danger of launching themselves into the worst stretch in franchise history.
    • The Reds are 114 games below .500 since beginning the 2001 season
    • The Reds have averaged a 74-88 record since beginning the 2001 season
    • The Reds have been outscored by 790 runs since beginning the 2001 season

    Congrats go out to everybody in the Reds organization who have contributed to such a run.
    Barry Larkin - HOF, 2012

    Put an end to the Lost Decade.

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    Re: The Lost Decade

    It's good to witness history.
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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Too much stress for this young soul.
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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Well, when you put it that way ...


    I can't even come up with anything. I didn't realize it was that bad. Good reality check though.

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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieRed View Post
    Well, when you put it that way ...

    I can't even come up with anything. I didn't realize it was that bad. Good reality check though.
    I actually misspoke in my original post; it may only be the 4th worst stretch in franchise history. It depends on one's view on if a "winning" season in the middle disqualifies it.

    Nevertheless, barring a miraculous finish to conclude 2008 the 2001-2008 run will be an eight year stretch of futility. Here are the four lousy stretches in franchise history since the beginning of World Series play:
    • 1906-1916: total W/L record of 755-930 (.448 winning percentage) over an 11-year stretch with an average W/L record of 69-86. This stretch had one season over .500 - a 77-76 record in 1909.
    • 1929-1937: total W/L record of 551-829 (.399 winning percentage) over a nine-year stretch with an average W/L record of 61-92. This stretch had zero seasons over .500 - a 74-80 campaign in 1936 was the best single season.
    • 1945-1955: total W/L record of 747-945 (.441 winning percentage) over an 11-year stretch with an average W/L record of 68-86. This stretch had zero seasons over .500 - the 75-79 campaign in 1955 was the best single season.
    • 2001-2008: in progress a total W/L record of 564-678 (.454 winning percentage). So far, the 80-82 campaign in 2006 has been the highlight.

    What's interesting here are the three previous runs of futility each had a reward shortly afterward. The 1919 Reds won the World Series only a few years after digging themselves out of the dungeon. The 1939-40 Reds won a World Series and two NL Pennants after digging themselves out of the dungeon. And the 1961 Reds won an NL Pennant a half dozen years after digging themselves out of the dungeon.
    Barry Larkin - HOF, 2012

    Put an end to the Lost Decade.

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    Thanks, Cyclone. Would you like to take a dull drill bit to my knee caps next?

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    Have no fear. The current management wants to win.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Have no fear. The current management wants to win.
    The losing stops now.
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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792
    The Reds are 114 games below .500 since beginning the 2001 season
    The Reds have averaged a 74-88 record since beginning the 2001 season
    The Reds have been outscored by 790 runs since beginning the 2001 season
    I was looking at this just last night. It's scary. What's scarier, is I don't see the end of it. The bully is better, but we still need a starter or two. We have a team of hackers who have no idea how to work a count. We lack intelligent hitters. I just have to feel we're going to have to import some maturity to this squad and hire management that has the guts to make players be more patient at the plate.

    When you average scoring 4.59 and giving up 5.23 runs per game for the 8 year period, but have fallen to 4.32 you've got a problem. Over the 8 year period, the Reds were being outscored by .64 runs per game. This year, it's .65. Progress? Hardly.

    It might be hopeless unless some personnel changes are made over the winter. Big ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    We have a team of hackers who have no idea how to work a count. We lack intelligent hitters. I just have to feel we're going to have to import some maturity to this squad and hire management that has the guts to make players be more patient at the plate.
    Bingo. Adam Dunn is virtually the only patient hitter the Reds have, and many Reds fans, lead by the local media, want to run Dunn out of town. I sometimes think a lot of Reds fans and leaders have never even heard of on base percentage.
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    only two and a half years to go

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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    We have a team of hackers who have no idea how to work a count. We lack intelligent hitters. I just have to feel we're going to have to import some maturity to this squad and hire management that has the guts to make players be more patient at the plate.
    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    Bingo. Adam Dunn is virtually the only patient hitter the Reds have, and many Reds fans, lead by the local media, want to run Dunn out of town. I sometimes think a lot of Reds fans and leaders have never even heard of on base percentage.
    Very true gentlemen.

    If I was Adam Dunn you wouldn't have to run me out of town. I'd leave. Let Dusty try to then assemble an offense that would then suit his philosophy.

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    batting #1   .263 BA  .313 OB%    .381 SLG%  .694 OPS  total bases 180
    batting #2   .265 BA  .317 OB%    .372 SLG%  .688 OPS  total bases 173 
    batting #3   .234 BA  .337 OB%    .404 SLG%  .741 OPS  total bases 169
    batting #4   .264 BA  .326 OB%    .440 SLG%  .766 OPS  total bases 190
    All the above is bottom tier.

    Yet look at a comparison between the 1-4 spots vs 5-8 spots...

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          Walks        OB%
    
    #1      33        .313 (last in the NL)
    #2      32        .316
    #3      63        .337
    #4      38        .326
    
    TOTAL  166        .323
    
    #5      80        .391 (leads MLB)
    #6      38        .334
    #7      40        .355
    #8      51        .315
    
    TOTAL  209        .349
    As much as many were complaining about Jr in the #3 hole, and with justification, look what he was doing in the above areas in comparison to those in the key lead off spots. 2nd only to Dunn in BBs and OB%. One may want to add Hairston, but the guy has appeared in half as many games as the others too.

    Now do I place total blame on Dusty? No. You gotta play the cards dealt you.

    But I question, so far, at HOW he has chosen to play those cards.

    We say that Jocketty needs to be given time (a grace period) to put his "fingerprint" on this team. And I'm sure he'll be receiving input from Dusty.

    So now we're going to see, between now and next season, what kind of imprint Dusty wants to place on this roster.

    But I'm not impressed with a manager, when asked about the teams offensive woes, whose simplified responses are "we need to get more hits".
    Last edited by GAC; 08-02-2008 at 09:15 AM.
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    Clearly the problem is Adam Dunn and his lack of hustle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Clearly the problem is Adam Dunn and his lack of hustle.
    I have heard said he jogs or walks on and off the field from his position.
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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Anyone have a chart of the major-league pitching talent (or any major-league players, for that matter) drafted and developed by the Reds during that timeframe?
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