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    The Lost Decade

    Ineptitude continues to scale the mountain.
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    	 W	 L	 pct	p-wins	p-losses   p-pct   Runs    RA	 Diff    Runs/G    RA/G
    
    2001	66	96	.407	  69	   93	   .428    735    850	 -115     4.54     5.25
    2002	78	84	.481	  74	   88	   .456    709    774	  -65     4.38     4.78
    2003	69	93	.426	  62	  100	   .380    694    886	 -192     4.28     5.47
    2004	76	86	.469	  66	   96	   .406    750    907	 -157     4.63     5.60
    2005	73	89	.451	  74	   88	   .460    820    889	  -69     5.06     5.49
    2006	80	82	.494	  76	   86	   .466    749    801	  -52     4.62     4.94
    2007	72	90	.444	  74	   88      .457    783    853	  -70     4.83     5.27
    2008	50	58	.463	  47	   61	   .431    467    537	  -70     4.32     4.97
    											
    TOTAL  564     678      .454	 541	  701	   .436   5707   6497	 -790     4.60     5.23
    We're pretty much now looking at the 3rd worst stretch in franchise history for this organization; only the early 30s and the late 40s/early 50s were worse. In fact, the last time the Reds were this bad for this long they were an all white team and hadn't yet integrated. And if this organization doesn't improve pretty quickly over the next few years, then they're in danger of launching themselves into the worst stretch in franchise history.
    • The Reds are 114 games below .500 since beginning the 2001 season
    • The Reds have averaged a 74-88 record since beginning the 2001 season
    • The Reds have been outscored by 790 runs since beginning the 2001 season

    Congrats go out to everybody in the Reds organization who have contributed to such a run.
    The Lost Decade Average Season: 74-88
    2014-22 Average Season: 71-91


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    Re: The Lost Decade

    It's good to witness history.
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    Too much stress for this young soul.

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    Well, when you put it that way ...


    I can't even come up with anything. I didn't realize it was that bad. Good reality check though.

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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Thanks, Cyclone. Would you like to take a dull drill bit to my knee caps next?
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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Have no fear. The current management wants to win.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Have no fear. The current management wants to win.
    The losing stops now.
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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792
    The Reds are 114 games below .500 since beginning the 2001 season
    The Reds have averaged a 74-88 record since beginning the 2001 season
    The Reds have been outscored by 790 runs since beginning the 2001 season
    I was looking at this just last night. It's scary. What's scarier, is I don't see the end of it. The bully is better, but we still need a starter or two. We have a team of hackers who have no idea how to work a count. We lack intelligent hitters. I just have to feel we're going to have to import some maturity to this squad and hire management that has the guts to make players be more patient at the plate.

    When you average scoring 4.59 and giving up 5.23 runs per game for the 8 year period, but have fallen to 4.32 you've got a problem. Over the 8 year period, the Reds were being outscored by .64 runs per game. This year, it's .65. Progress? Hardly.

    It might be hopeless unless some personnel changes are made over the winter. Big ones.
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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Clearly the problem is Adam Dunn and his lack of hustle.
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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Anyone have a chart of the major-league pitching talent (or any major-league players, for that matter) drafted and developed by the Reds during that timeframe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Congrats go out to everybody in the Reds organization who have contributed to such a run.
    Great ending line.

    That's what happens when you have someone like John Allen running the team into the ground.
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    End of the losing has to come with some honest evaluation of the talent. Adam Dunn is definitely not the problem. Handing out long term contracts, even to the greatest players, is a problem because you lose flexibility; everything has to be organized around your long-term guys. The last GM was a significant part of the problem, but now at least somebody with a legitimate record of success is on board. The talent is not as good as many think, even the young ones. The best talent--by far--was traded away. time to start facing up. 90 losses this year, maybe we can get that down to 85 by next. Contention is several years away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    End of the losing has to come with some honest evaluation of the talent. Adam Dunn is definitely not the problem. Handing out long term contracts, even to the greatest players, is a problem because you lose flexibility; everything has to be organized around your long-term guys. The last GM was a significant part of the problem, but now at least somebody with a legitimate record of success is on board. The talent is not as good as many think, even the young ones. The best talent--by far--was traded away. time to start facing up. 90 losses this year, maybe we can get that down to 85 by next. Contention is several years away.
    The gratuitous knocks on "the last GM" are sometimes just breathtaking, even laughable. Krivsky's record was around .463, slightly better the overall percentage shown. That judgement just can't be made from this persepective (nor can it be said about Dan O'Brien at this juncture). There's just not enough data to say that. WK's draft classes are still still in A ball, for the most part. His successor, he with "a legitimate record of success," has made no moves to improve the big league club so the losing can stop now.

    Not to mention that this putrid record goes back before this "lost decade" and lays at far more peoples feet than just "the last GM". This isn't a defense of WK, but such sweeping statements really are an embarrasment to the tone I would expect from RZ. When there's enough historical perspective to make that determination, come back and let us know how much of this wretchedness rests at his feet.
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    Re: The Lost Decade

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    We have a team of hackers who have no idea how to work a count. We lack intelligent hitters. I just have to feel we're going to have to import some maturity to this squad and hire management that has the guts to make players be more patient at the plate.
    Bingo. Adam Dunn is virtually the only patient hitter the Reds have, and many Reds fans, lead by the local media, want to run Dunn out of town. I sometimes think a lot of Reds fans and leaders have never even heard of on base percentage.
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    Re: The Lost Decade

    only two and a half years to go


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