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    Reds @ Nats 8-1-08

    From John Fay:

    Lineup for Reds at Nationals, 7:35 p.m.

    Jerry Hairston Jr. cf

    Jeff Keppinger ss

    Jay Bruce rf

    Brandon Phillips 2b

    Adam Dunn lf

    Edwin Encarnacion 3b

    Andy Phillips 1b

    David Ross c

    Homer Bailey p
    I assume Hairston activated, seeing as he is in the lineup


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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Dusty needs to leave Bruce in the 3 (or whatever hole the organization feels he's best suited for going forward) hole and in right field...let him develop himself into a role...

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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Why is Dunn batting 5th?
    And who went down the make room for Hairston (I'll assume Coffey).
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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Why is Dunn batting 5th?
    And who went down the make room for Hairston (I'll assume Coffey).
    I believe they had an opening with the Griffey trade.

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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    I don't get the Dunn batting 5th thing.

    Dusty dice must be broken.

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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by HotCorner View Post
    I believe they had an opening with the Griffey trade.
    No, because Masset took his spot on the roster.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter View Post
    A little bit off topic, but do you guys think that Jesse Winker profiles more like Pete Rose or is he just the next Hal Morris??

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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by HotCorner View Post
    I believe they had an opening with the Griffey trade.
    They did but Masset is on the active roster as well. Someone has to go.

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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    I don't get the Dunn batting 5th thing.

    Dusty dice must be broken.
    That's his spot. You can't move him from his spot.

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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    I don't get the Dunn batting 5th thing.

    Dusty dice must be broken.
    R - is for Runs

    B - is for batted

    I - is for I can't see anyone else who can drive Adam Dunn in as good as he can drive in the other guys.

    The fact is Dunn could end up with more RBI's than Runs scored for the 2nd time in his career, that's the rabbit they're chasing when they put him in that slot.

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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    R - is for Runs

    B - is for batted

    I - is for I can't see anyone else who can drive Adam Dunn in as good as he can drive in the other guys.

    The fact is Dunn could end up with more RBI's than Runs scored for the 2nd time in his career, that's the rabbit they're chasing when they put him in that slot.
    Imagine how they'll feel when they find out it's not a real rabbit.

    If they ever catch it.

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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    Imagine how they'll feel when they find out it's not a real rabbit.

    If they ever catch it.
    They think they've already caught it. That's the problem.

    Dusty is managing the set of archetypes which he's assigned to his players. Phillips is the do-it-all star. Dunn is the RBI guy. Keppinger is the scrappy middle infielder. (Center fielder) is the speedy lead-off guy. He's managing ideas, not players.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    This lineup is still bass ackwards. Assuming Votto bats 7th when he returns (which he will), here is the lineup by OPS.

    .893
    .701
    .727
    .788
    .952
    .843
    .791 (wow, didn't realize Votto was under .800)
    .776

    should be:
    Hairston
    Votto
    Dunn
    Encarnacion
    Phillips
    Bruce
    Keppinger
    Ross

    Keppinger really doesn't even belong in the lineup.
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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    They think they've already caught it. That's the problem.

    Dusty is managing the set of archetypes which he's assigned to his players. Phillips is the do-it-all star. Dunn is the RBI guy. Keppinger is the scrappy middle infielder. (Center fielder) is the speedy lead-off guy. He's managing ideas, not players.
    So he drives in more than he scores, is this really a bad thing?

    Instead of pondering the lineup construction I'd rather ponder why the Reds don't have a #7 hitter with 75 RBI's at the end of the season if Dunn is going to bat 5th.

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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Where's Votto returning from? Did I miss something?
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    Re: Fay: Hairston activated; Bruce hitting 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    So he drives in more than he scores, is this really a bad thing?

    Instead of pondering the lineup construction I'd rather ponder why the Reds don't have a #7 hitter with 75 RBI's at the end of the season if Dunn is going to bat 5th.
    It's not bad, Woy. It's that if he batted 3rd behind some decent OBP instead of 5th he could do more of both. I'm less hung up on the proportion of Runs/RBI as I am on the fact that he's being underutilized in the process of being pigeonholed.

    Votto, our primary #7 hitter, is on pace for 69 RBI. One good game and that projection could easily become 75.

    I'd like to know why our cleanup hitter isn't on pace for 100 Runs or RBI despite leading the team in PA and batting 4th nearly the entire year and bats ahead of 3 guys who all have higher OPS.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-01-2008 at 05:55 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


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