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    Re: solid progress in farm system

    Is there a Minor League Sun Deck?
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Is there a Minor League Sun Deck?
    I'm pretty sure it's somebody just messing with us, I just can't figure out who.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I'm pretty sure it's somebody just messing with us, I just can't figure out who.
    I laughed at this from his profile page:

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    My guess is that it's a bitter Wayne Krivsky trying to get back at those who didn't appreciate him.

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    I love the gimmick account, myself. Keep rockin', daBeast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsof72 View Post
    Might be getting a little tired in his first full season. Keep in mind, they have had only two catchers there all year, meaning he and Bour are catching every bullpen session in the afternoons, warming up every pitcher during the games, etc. Last night, Mesoraco was warming up a pitcher in the bullpen while he was actually in the game (Dragons were at bat).
    I had been noticing that. He had been getting a lot of time for a catcher at that level and at that age....at least more than other catchers that I pay attention to.

    I hope the overall of what I said about Mesoraco came through. I tried to make sure that it was his defensive abilities that are more important at this stage of his development based upon where he's coming from when the REDS drafted him. And from what I hear, he's developing right on track defensively. The Offensive part of his game has plenty of time to grow. 22 or 23 years old at Chattanooga will be fine.

    redsof72, keep coming with the personal reports. Would love to hear more about Mesoraco. I would think he'll be beginning next year at Dayton again. At least I would hope. He's pretty raw.
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    Re: solid progress in farm system

    With the lack of catching between Craig Tatum and Mesoraco, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Mesoraco start in the FSL.

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    What a good organization would do in that case is they would decide what level Mesoraco needs to be at and place him there and if that means going out and picking up an organizational guy as a free agent or out of independent ball or the minor league Rule V to play at Sarasota, you do that. Mesoraco needs to begin 2009 in Dayton and he should hit .300+ but he needs to concentrate on improving his defense. Then at mid-season, if you want to move him up to Sarasota, you can release the organizational guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsof72 View Post
    What a good organization would do in that case is they would decide what level Mesoraco needs to be at and place him there and if that means going out and picking up an organizational guy as a free agent or out of independent ball or the minor league Rule V to play at Sarasota, you do that. Mesoraco needs to begin 2009 in Dayton and he should hit .300+ but he needs to concentrate on improving his defense. Then at mid-season, if you want to move him up to Sarasota, you can release the organizational guy.
    I agree completely, but what I mean is that he could improve enough between now and spring of 2009 to be the starting catcher in Sarasota. I wouldn't bet on it, but much crazier things have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsof72 View Post
    Last night, Mesoraco was warming up a pitcher in the bullpen while he was actually in the game (Dragons were at bat).
    Good lord, they don't have a back-up infielder or something that can throw on the gear for a few minutes?

    Hell, I'd hire a local high-school kid as a summer job. Can they do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpresidente View Post
    Good lord, they don't have a back-up infielder or something that can throw on the gear for a few minutes?
    Devin needs the practice.

    he's from Pennsylvania.

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    Nice words about Craig Tatum in today's BA Prospect Hot Sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    if you go back to the preseason Reds top prospects (I'll take the BA rankings), you see that the following prospects have shown very solid progress in 2008:

    1. Jay Bruce; 3. Joey Votto; 4. Johnny Cueto; 5. Drew Stubbs; 6. Devin Mesoraco; 7. Todd Frazier; 8. Juan Francisco; 9. Josh Roenicke; 11. Kyle Lotzkar; 12. Jared Burton; 13. Chris Valaika; 14. Neftali Soto.

    out of the top 14, only Homer Bailey (no. 2) and Matt Maloney (10) have disappointed a bit, and those two aren't clear washouts-- they just seem to have plateaued. Maloney's been on DL for quite a while.

    I guess that you can argue about Francisco, but he's done better than I had expected. He'll make the jump to AA easily; as for the majors, it'll depend on whether he learns to handle lefthanded pitchers.

    usually the Reds show many more washouts than this. For instance, the 2006 list had 8 next-year stumbles: 6.Travis Wood; 7. Sean Watson;8. Milton Loo; 9. Paul Janish; 11. Cody Strait; 12. Sam LeCure;13. Josh Ravin; 14. James Avery.
    Your comparison is interesting - but I don't know what definitive conclusions you can draw from it other than the following two I mention. The clear conclusion it shows is that our top 15 displayed (at a minimum) sufficient progress to retain prospect status and their projected ceilings. It also shows that 3 guys made ML regular status, which is tremendous. However, for the rest of the list, no prospects really displayed a clearly delineated new level of progression. Soto and Lotzkar came the closest (for me) but they only hit the first stage - full season ball. Frazier, Valaika, Stubbs, Franscisco, Mesoraco all continued to improve but not really by leaps and bounds. I am optimistic about them, but they don't inspire the same enthusiasm as Bruce, Votto, Cueto and Bailey.
    Our pitching depth is not where it should be. Only slight progress in a critical area- the emphasis on bullpen arms is producing some interesting options, but lets see who pans out.

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    Our pitching depth is not where it should be. Only slight progress in a critical area- the emphasis on bullpen arms is producing some interesting options, but lets see who pans out.
    Agreed. There's not a single arm in the system -- with the possible exception of Lotzkar -- who I have much hope for as anything other than a 4/5. Bailey's development has been poorly handled, in my opinion, and he probably will not reach his potential as a Red. The system is deep in serviceable bats, though.
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    This is something I posted on Watson after watching him closely a few times in Dayton, see if this still holds true or not or if it's related. I'll in fact put all of his notes I put together then here.

    Sean Watson is now at 6' 2 215, last year he was at around 240 lbs. and per Browning they (the powers that be) had to have a sit down with him towards the end of the season. Apparently about attitude, he had let his whiskers go a bit and that + his performance (1-2 8.59 era 10 appearances all out of the pen) warranted it apparently. They told him he was going to start this season and he needed to grow up a bit (or something to that effect), so the kid responded by getting in much better shape and dropping the 20+ lbs. Although he still looks chunky too me, think Burba or Mark Portugal.
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...ghlight=Dayton

    I heard Browning say this in regards to the FO hopes on Watson "I think they wanted him to build up his arm strength" because of his last yr at Tenn only getting to throw 1 to 2 IP at a time. And "They have high hopes for him to progress through the org and maybe be a starter, but eventually they probably have long range plans for him to be a reliever".

    On Watson: Throws 1st pitch FB low and outside alot and for strikes quite often. Mixes up that 2nd pitch pretty good. And Throws that Knuckle Curve as his out pitch. And it's a good pitch as it has nice break and he seems to throw it w/o "showing it" with his arm speed much. However he seems to have little answer for opponents who lay off his KNC with 2 strikes, which he seems to always throw with 2 strikes. When that occurs it also seems to throw off his concentration or disrupts his rythym. His line 5 IP, 4 hits, 2 ER, 10 K's 1 BB and 1 Hit Batter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    Your comparison is interesting - but I don't know what definitive conclusions you can draw from it.
    my impression: Reds have traditionally gone for guys with high ceiling/high bust potential, nearly all of whom went bust very quickly. Now they seem to be changing-- their prospects strike me as more the Joey Votto type-- they'll likely make consistent progress and perhaps even become interesting major leaguers, but probably not stars.

    that should provide a lot of depth, great payroll flexibility and, with an active trader as GM, you might even be able to use the depth to score some impact players.


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