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    The Dunn haul..

    Only name I'm hearing so far is Dallas Buck. I'm here at work and am very limited to what sites I can get one. Anyone got a scouting report?

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    Re: The Dunn haul..

    If Dallas Buck and 2 PTBNL are all the Reds received for Dunn, the Reds got screwed.:thumbdown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redman15 View Post
    If Dallas Buck and 2 PTBNL are all the Reds received for Dunn, the Reds got screwed.:thumbdown
    Why? What is a month and a half of Adam Dunn really worth? If Dunn had more time on his contract, then sure.... but he doesn't.

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    Dallas Buck will report to Sarasota according to Hal McCoy.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Why? What is a month and a half of Adam Dunn really worth? If Dunn had more time on his contract, then sure.... but he doesn't.
    Why not give Dunn his 15 Mill? Who is going to replace his 40+ bombs every year?
    Why trade him now instead of before the dead line and get a couple of top notch minor leaguers?

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    It may have become clear between the trading deadline and now that Dunn was not interested in returning. Agree with Doug, don't see how anybody could expect to get a great deal for a month and a half rental of AD. If WJ gets anything, it's a haul.

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    OK so let him leave for free agency, we get TWO 1ST ROUND PICKS!!!
    Is Dallas Buck and 2 PTBNL a better deal than 2 1st Rd picks? I don't think so.
    If we don't sign Alonso for 8 Million, we could of had (4 ) 1st Rd picks and
    15 Million to sign them!!!!!!!!
    Last edited by Redman15; 08-11-2008 at 04:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redman15 View Post
    Why not give Dunn his 15 Mill? Who is going to replace his 40+ bombs every year?
    Why trade him now instead of before the dead line and get a couple of top notch minor leaguers?
    They haven't been exactly winning with his 40+ bombs the last several seasons. While Dunn is not the whole problem, far from it, he's definently part of it. I would not have minded signing Dunn long term, but depending on the direction the team heads this offseason, I hold out hope that this is a good thing. Perhaps I'm blindly following this ownership/GM group too much, but I pray for a team that plays great defense, pitches lights out, and hits when it matters.

    Signing somebody like CC Sabathia this offseason w/ the money spent on Dunn/Griffey this year would go a long way towards locking up this rotation (assuming this is just a blip on Aaron Harang's career, and we see the 'normal' Harangatang next year).

    Move Arroyo for pieces, add a solid leadoff hitter, hope that Bruce/Votto develop like we hope, add a right handed bat for the middle of the order and away we go.

    Its simple on paper, much tougher in real life, but this team has lost plenty w/ Dunn, perhaps its time to see if they can win w/o him.

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    Votto to left field...

    Mark Texiera anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redman15 View Post
    OK so let him leave for free agency, we get TWO 1ST ROUND PICKS!!!
    Is Dallas Buck and 2 PTBNL a better deal than 2 1st Rd picks? I don't think so.
    If we don't sign Alonso for 8 Million, we could of had 4 1st Rd picks and
    15 Million to sign them!!!!!!!!
    That's way too many exclamation points in one post.

    4 1st round picks means we have to pay 4 1st round signing bonuses. That 15 million better go towards Major Leaguers and not draft picks. Hopefully WJ can get 3 above average prospects that are a few years closer to the big leagues than first round picks would be.

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    Re: The Dunn haul..

    Quote Originally Posted by Redman15 View Post
    OK so let him leave for free agency, we get TWO 1ST ROUND PICKS!!!
    Is Dallas Buck and 2 PTBNL a better deal than 2 1st Rd picks? I don't think so.
    If we don't sign Alonso for 8 Million, we could of had (4 ) 1st Rd picks and
    15 Million to sign them!!!!!!!!
    Depends on who the 2 PTBNL are. Besides, by going this route, the reds can select (or have agreed already) on 2 players that have played professional baseball for some time period and had a chance to prove themselves vs other professionals, vs selecting picks late in the first round that they hope can handle the professional lifestyle.

    No body outside of the Reds organization knows whether there is more value in the 2 draft picks, or the 3 player package at this point. To pretend otherwise is to be obtuse.

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    Re: The Dunn haul..

    Quote Originally Posted by Redman15 View Post
    OK so let him leave for free agency, we get TWO 1ST ROUND PICKS!!!
    Is Dallas Buck and 2 PTBNL a better deal than 2 1st Rd picks? I don't think so.
    If we don't sign Alonso for 8 Million, we could of had (4 ) 1st Rd picks and
    15 Million to sign them!!!!!!!!
    Actually, the Reds would get a supplemental pick (picks between the first and second round) and a second round pick. A far cry from two first rounders. And Buck was a 3rd round pick, that was supposed to be a first rounder before his injury.

    So basically, the Reds got a pick similar to the second rounder they would have gotten, and two prospects that we can't comment on since we don't know who they are. Plus, the Reds don't have to spend any money on signing these guys, so that saves millions that can be spent elsewhere.

    And the Reds will sign Alonso, especially after trading Dunn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Actually, the Reds would get a supplemental pick (picks between the first and second round) and a second round pick. A far cry from two first rounders. And Buck was a 3rd round pick, that was supposed to be a first rounder before his injury.

    So basically, the Reds got a pick similar to the second rounder they would have gotten, and two prospects that we can't comment on since we don't know who they are. Plus, the Reds don't have to spend any money on signing these guys, so that saves millions that can be spent elsewhere.

    And the Reds will sign Alonso, especially after trading Dunn.
    As Cincinnati Reds manager Dusty Baker said: “There is baseball and there is baseball business.”

    And the Reds made a business decision today when they traded Adam Dunn to the Arizona Diamondbacks for three minor-league prospects.

    Instead of waiting for Dunn to test free agency after this season, the Reds dealt him today.

    “This way we at least get more than some unproven draft picks,” said Baker. If another team signed Dunn as a free agent, they would owe the Reds two first-round draft picks.

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    Re: The Dunn haul..

    It defintely depends on who the player to be named are. Dallas Buck is a solid starter who pitched very well for Oregon State with torn ligament in his elbow, a velocity dropping from low 90s to low 80s, yet still led them to College World Series. Now that he had surgery, his velocity and movement should be coming back, and he had a wicked sinker/slider duo.

    Also...Buck was going to go in the 1st round had he not been injured. So, debating whether our haul would be comparable to having 2 1st round picks defintely depnds on the PTBNL.

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    Re: The Dunn haul..

    There are five players that the Diamondbacks have whom I'd be interested in.

    RHP Max Scherzer
    RHP Jarrod Parker
    OF Gerrardo Parra
    RHP Micah Owings
    RHP Billy Buckner

    in that order. If at least one of those guys isn't one of the PTBNL, it's a horrible trade. If we could get two guys off of that list in addition to Buck (and admittedly the first two are highly unlikely) than I would be content with the trade. We'll see...
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