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    Re: Players involved in the Dunn trade

    Quote Originally Posted by redsbuckeye View Post
    The Beane playbook is to use exhaustive statistial metrics to determine how much real value a player adds to a team and use that information to look for players who are undervalued by the market and use them while paying. Efficiency is the Beane playbook.

    No where does he consider injury prone players. Other's stalled projects maybe, but only if they fit that undervalued, true value added efficiency mold. I can gaurantee you he'd have only passing interest in Homer Baily as he walks waaaaay too many guys.
    There is a lot to the Beane Playbook, not just stats. He doesn't consider injury prone players, just players coming off surgery. Big difference, since many minor leaguers these days are having surgery. They are usually cheap, since teams don't want to wait for them to recover. It's a good way to get talented players on the cheap, and that is what moneyball and Beaneball is all about. Most don't work out, but they are so cheap, you only need one a year to work out to be worth it.

    Anyway, maybe it's not Moneyball or Beaneball, but it is Jocketty Ball, and it has worked great for him. I hope it works this time.

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    Re: Players involved in the Dunn trade

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    There is a lot to the Beane Playbook, not just stats. He doesn't consider injury prone players, just players coming off surgery. Big difference, since many minor leaguers these days are having surgery. They are usually cheap, since teams don't want to wait for them to recover. It's a good way to get talented players on the cheap, and that is what moneyball and Beaneball is all about. Most don't work out, but they are so cheap, you only need one a year to work out to be worth it.
    I think you need to re-read Moneyball, especially the chapter about the 2002 draft when he essentially kicked all the "traditional" scouts in the crotch and relied 99.9% upon stats to make all the picks.

    Anyway, maybe it's not Moneyball or Beaneball, but it is Jocketty Ball, and it has worked great for him. I hope it works this time.
    I won't decry Jocketty Ball just yet, but he had more money to work with in St. Louis. He also had arguably the 2nd best player in the league since 2001.

    Winning with a Reds type payroll is going to take much more efficiency.

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    Re: Players involved in the Dunn trade

    Quote Originally Posted by redsbuckeye View Post
    You don't have to draft guys that expect monster signing bonuses. The A's have been drafting low expense guys for years and turning them into quality players.
    Have you seen what our one first round pick is asking for-and we likely owont sign? If we got the 2 picks next year, wouldnt they be high round picks-likely to desire high bonuses? If not high picks, why not get high prospects anyway that are equal and still not have to pay the bonuses? Ideally it would be great if we could draft these guys that dont wnat the big bonuses, but we havent shown the greatest talent at drafting over the years tha tI trust that route any better then this one.

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    Re: Players involved in the Dunn trade

    Quote Originally Posted by bounty37h View Post
    Have you seen what our one first round pick is asking for-and we likely owont sign? If we got the 2 picks next year, wouldnt they be high round picks-likely to desire high bonuses? If not high picks, why not get high prospects anyway that are equal and still not have to pay the bonuses? Ideally it would be great if we could draft these guys that dont wnat the big bonuses, but we havent shown the greatest talent at drafting over the years tha tI trust that route any better then this one.
    It doesn't work that way in baseball. In baseball your draft position doesn't dictate your signing bonus. Plenty of guys get drafted in the first round that don't get huge signing bonuses. That usually because they aren't expected to be huge impact players. But if you draft right, you get the guys aren't expected to be by usual scouts but who's numbers are reveal they really will be good.

    It's the draft chapter in Moneyball.


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