Owings minor league numbers look pretty solid to me. I think he can be, at the very least, a very solid #4 starter. Reds need pitching still.
Owings minor league numbers look pretty solid to me. I think he can be, at the very least, a very solid #4 starter. Reds need pitching still.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
I know this gets mentioned with every pitcher we have, but they say all he really needs to become fairly good again is to work on his change. We have this guy name Mario from the DR...
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---TRF
"I do what I want to do and say what I want to say."
--Bronson Arroyo
Owings has had too much success in the majors pre-injury to move him to OF right now... maybe further down the road but for now he is certainly a starting pitcher.
Honestly, after a couple months of rehab for Owings I am pretty enthusiastic about a rotation of...
Harang
Volquez
Arroyo
Cueto
Owings
With Thompson, Maloney, and Bailey in the wings if someone fails/gets hurt.
I like our starting pitching depth for next year.
The line up is a whole different story
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
Originally Posted by Cyclone792
Well ... my source was correct on item #1. I don't want to think about what that means for item #2.
The Lost Decade Average Season: 74-88
2014-22 Average Season: 71-91
This year is the aberration for Harang. Or maybe you choose to think that the three years (2005-07) he was awesome were aberrations. I still think the Reds can have a good rotation next year with Harang at the top as long as they add a legit No. 2 to go along with him. The Reds need to plan to have seven starting pitchers and hope that five of them work out. They have five legit contenders now with Harang, Volquez, Arroyo, Cueto and Owings. Jocketty has the money to get two more this offseason. Then he needs to work on the OF.
History shows Harang isn't going to stink. This year is a fluke
Arroyo is adequate at #3 or #4.
Volquez is Volquez
I think Cueto has a huge year after a year of experience.
Owings as a 5 starter.
Depth in AAA
I think its the best rotation we've had in awhile
We can hope that WJ is going to improve the defense behind these guys as well
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The difference? Arroyo looks now like the Arroyo immediately when we traded for him. Cueto will be much better, he is learning on the go. Volquez will slide a bit but still be, IMO, our ace. Owings is much better than Fogg/Bailey/Belisle. IMO it will all depend on if Harang returns to 2006-2007 Aaron Harang.
Domo Arigato, Here Comes Joey Votto
---TRF
"I do what I want to do and say what I want to say."
--Bronson Arroyo
I thought the Patterson thing was common knowledge, actually. Someone I knew who doesn't even follow the Reds threw it into casual conversation not long ago. I'm not confirming or saying that I heard this from any reliable source or anything...just pointing out that at least in some places it's being bandied about as fact.
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
I think we are fine adding one more arm to the competition... in fact I think Catching is MUCH MORE of a priority than adding any more pitchers. Thompson Bailey and Maloney can all provide competition to Owings or Cueto. Catching is the true black hole. Definitely have an issue in the OF now
I just don't understand why you hate the pitching we have so much. Harang is a proven commodity who has had a down year. I think Volquez has more than shown that he can be a solid #2 this year. Cueto has taken his lumps, but has an upside of a #3. Arroyo seems on his way down, but he's still a capable 4/5. I don't think Owings gives you a great 5, but not many teams have a great 5.
That's not a Hall of Fame rotation by any means, but it could look a heck of a lot worse. This isn't Elmer Dessens and Jimmy Haynes. I know you haven't forgotten that name.
How do we know he's not Mel Torme?
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