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    Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    Per Fay:

    Chris Dickerson LF
    Jeff Keppinger SS
    Brandon Phillips 2B
    Joey Votto 1B
    Edwin Encarnacion 3B
    Jay Bruce RF
    Corey Patterson CF
    Paul Bako C
    Johnny Cueto RHP (8-12, 4.65)
    vs. Cubs RHP Jason Marquis (9-8, 4.46)

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    here's the cub lineup:

    A. Soriano lf
    R. Theriot ss
    D. Lee 1b
    A. Ramirez 3b
    G. Soto c
    M. Hoffpauir rf
    M. DeRosa 2b
    R. Johnson cf
    J. Marquis p

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    I still disagree with the decision to bring Cueto back this season. I don't see where there's anything to gain by bringing him back and risking injury. Between winter ball, spring training, and the regular season he's already thrown plenty of innings.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    Agree absolutely, OBM, no way Cueto should be out there.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    Cueto developing a slider ...reminds me of Soto doing the same during late 1984 so he could have it for 1985. He began hanging the sliders and went through a long stretch without winning a game that year. Then he started to develop his arm problems. Minimize the slider......throw fastballs an changeups and get him out at 80-90 pitches.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    Cueto has had his slider for years now. I have no idea why Chris keeps saying he just learned that pitch this season.
    Last edited by OnBaseMachine; 09-06-2008 at 07:16 PM.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    If that's the case.....is it his 3rd pitch and has he only recently started to use it more beacuse he thought the hitters had figured out his other stuff?

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    Cueto allows a two out double to Lee but K's Ramirez to end the top of the first.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    If that's the case.....is it his 3rd pitch and has he only recently started to use it more beacuse he thought the hitters had figured out his other stuff?
    No. His slider has always been his best pitch. I believe Soto taught him a better changeup a couple years ago and then started working with him on a cutter a while back.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    Cueto threw 16 pitches in the first inning - 14 were fastballs. I just don't see the reasoning in bringing him back so he can pump fastball after fastball and get hit. He's got a plus fastball but any major leaguer can hit a fastball, especially when they know it's coming.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    A one out single by Kepp but he's erased on a Phillips double play.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    GIDP by our 3 hitter who's got a less than .700 OPS against righties. That's lineup construction in the best tradition of Dusty Baker.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    Top 2

    -Soto grounds out
    -Hoffpauir K's
    -DeRosa pops out

    13 pitches that inning, 8 fastballs. Mixed it up more that inning.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    Votto grounds out...EdE singles.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 9/6/08

    I like Chris but he should not give out bad info like that.....hope he uses his changeup more and minimizes his sliders. I cannot believe they would let him go out and pitch if he was not completely healthy and able to handle this.


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