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    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    I have always felt Stubbs was a good lead off hitter with a high OBP, could steal a base, and could play good defense. The thing I question is his power potential. He seems to be able to get his doubles and triples, so he could have some gap power. I tend to think he will be like Sean Casey in that regard. You may be right that he will show that power potential eventually; I just don't see it yet.
    Stubbs power is all in potential for sure. He doesn't have a ton of in game power yet, but I will say I have seen him hit 2 baseballs that went a combined 900 feet. That attests to his power and what it could be one day. He has it in him from time to time, as that time goes along, it may get more and more noticeable in the numbers. He has the swing for it and he does actually have the ability to hit the ball 450 feet (like noted, I have seen him do it on two difference occasions). Whether he turns that into consistent HR power is yet to be seen, but he does have that ability within him.

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    Nice overview and effort on your part.

    I'm curious as to how many of these players you've actually seen play and where you saw them along the line. Mostly Dayton? Or, did you see them at other levels as well?

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    Nice Doug. Thanks.

    I know he's a long way off, but I'd add David Sappelt to your CF list.
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    I also was lucky enough to see Stubbsy hit a light tower shot at Dayton. He hit it to LF. Well over the Dragons Lair and nearly out of the park, had it not been for the scoreboard being in the way. I also remembering him hitting another down the line in LF but it was more of a laser, can't recall if I ever figured out whether or not that one left the park.

    Here's a link to site where you can check out 5/3 field a bit, just for a little bit of an idea for anyone who hasn't been there. Put your cursor over section 107 (behind the visitors dugout) to see a good shot of LF, Drew hit it (the 1st shot) right about at the McDonald's sign roughly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    #1 is I think it's possible that Janish could be passable at SS. He certainly doesn't have any outstanding offensive talent, it's more or less bench talent. However what he lacks in talent he makes up for with skill. He has a good eye at the plate and seemingly understands that he must get the right pitch to hit, or else he ain't swinging. He also makes pretty decent contact, although I think he could definitely use a tweak to his swing (has a 3 piece swing) that would help both his contact rate and his pop. But even w/o that tweak and his defense and approach he couldn't be a whole lot worse than Adam Everett ever was and he is still a starter I believe. For his price I would be willing to give him an extended look at that spot.
    I think Janish could be interesting. For some reason I think his offensive game is ok. I can picture him having an offensive game similar to that of Eckstein. In the few games I have seen of him he stays within himself as a hitter. He takes what the pitcher gives him and he knows what situation he is in. I doubt he ever will hit for power but at the same time if he can play solid defense while having a "pesky" bat I would take him as a 7-8 hole hitter and a good defensive SS.

    Doug what do you see happening with the 3b position. IMO the prospects are Fraizer and Soto. It also seems as if Fraizer would be ready by the 09 season which would make the reds make a decision in the near future. Can he play 3b at the MLB level? Will they have to move him to LF? I think you will see him or Edwin dangled as trade bait because I don't foresee Votto going anywhere except for 1b or LF.

    As for Soto does he start in Dayton next season? Have you seen him play? Do his lack of walks hurt him or is he just that good of a hitter (Vlad)? Personally I don't mind a free swinger if he has a little bit of patience. I also don't mind a free swinger if he has the ability to punish a ball no matter where it is thrown. If Soto has good plate coverage and hits the ball hard I don't see his low walk total right now as a problem.

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    Great post, Doug. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by remdog View Post
    Nice overview and effort on your part.

    I'm curious as to how many of these players you've actually seen play and where you saw them along the line. Mostly Dayton? Or, did you see them at other levels as well?

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    I see about 20-25 games a year from Dayton (in person and a handful on tv, which I record on DVR so I can go back and break stuff down) and about 100 or so games a year from Louisville (mostly online with their video package that I can go back and watch whenever I want). I talk to several people in Billings and Chattanooga throughout the year as well as getting some video clips of those two places every now and again. I also have some contact with a few players in the system who give me their thoughts on guys as well as talking with people in the industry (scouts/coaches). I really only have 1 contact that gets to see Sarasota play often, so that is generally the hardest full season level for me to give fully confident reports on, however there were two players I have contact with who played there this year so that helped out some.

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    I also was lucky enough to see Stubbsy hit a light tower shot at Dayton. He hit it to LF. Well over the Dragons Lair and nearly out of the park, had it not been for the scoreboard being in the way. I also remembering him hitting another down the line in LF but it was more of a laser, can't recall if I ever figured out whether or not that one left the park.

    Here's a link to site where you can check out 5/3 field a bit, just for a little bit of an idea for anyone who hasn't been there. Put your cursor over section 107 (behind the visitors dugout) to see a good shot of LF, Drew hit it (the 1st shot) right about at the McDonald's sign roughly.

    http://www.daytondragons.com/fifththird/seating/
    I also saw that HR, that thing was a moonshot (the one off the scoreboard). It was one of the HR's I was referring to above when attesting to his power. The other one he hit was here:

    It went over that short white fence beyond CF between the scoreboard and that little billboard thing, nearly to dead CF.

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    Doug what do you see happening with the 3b position. IMO the prospects are Fraizer and Soto. It also seems as if Fraizer would be ready by the 09 season which would make the reds make a decision in the near future. Can he play 3b at the MLB level? Will they have to move him to LF? I think you will see him or Edwin dangled as trade bait because I don't foresee Votto going anywhere except for 1b or LF.
    I am with you on Frazier and Soto being 'the guys' over there. I have heard a concern or two about Fraziers arm over at third. Not that its not strong enough, but it takes a while for him to get it going on throws, which plays it down a little. Other than that I think he could play there at the major league level. With Soto, his range isn't the best, but its not bad either and his arm is fine over there. so unless he grows a bit (which is possible) he should also be able to play there. I think we eventually see a trade of someone(s) though, because even with a guy or two not making it, there still doesn't look like there is room for Votto/EE/Frazier/Soto/Alonso.

    As for Soto does he start in Dayton next season? Have you seen him play? Do his lack of walks hurt him or is he just that good of a hitter (Vlad)? Personally I don't mind a free swinger if he has a little bit of patience. I also don't mind a free swinger if he has the ability to punish a ball no matter where it is thrown. If Soto has good plate coverage and hits the ball hard I don't see his low walk total right now as a problem.
    I doubt Soto starts in Dayton, he was the best player on the field almost every time he stepped onto it last year. He hit .326 there and it wasn't a lucky .326 either. He squares the ball up and hits it hard a whole lot. The ball jumps off his bat (not quite as much as Bruce or Francisco, but a whole lot still). From what I have seen and redsof72 also noted, I don't think the walks are a problem. He seems to know balls from strikes for the most part and if guys start to pitch around him, he isn't likely to turn into a hacker.

    Here is a video of a HR he hit in Dayton earlier this year

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    I also saw that HR, that thing was a moonshot (the one off the scoreboard). It was one of the HR's I was referring to above when attesting to his power. The other one he hit was here:

    It went over that short white fence beyond CF between the scoreboard and that little billboard thing, nearly to dead CF.
    Yeah it was awe inspiring for sure. Looking at your above the field shot here and knowing the rough trajectory and speed with which the laser shot I seen him hit, it had to have gone out of the park. Right over the little white billboard at the far left, right down the LF line.

    The kid has the power no question. However I think he's a bit more inconsistent with hitting around the sweet spot more than the average guy for whatever reason.
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    I am with you on Frazier and Soto being 'the guys' over there. I have heard a concern or two about Fraziers arm over at third. Not that its not strong enough, but it takes a while for him to get it going on throws, which plays it down a little. Other than that I think he could play there at the major league level. With Soto, his range isn't the best, but its not bad either and his arm is fine over there. so unless he grows a bit (which is possible) he should also be able to play there. I think we eventually see a trade of someone(s) though, because even with a guy or two not making it, there still doesn't look like there is room for Votto/EE/Frazier/Soto/Alonso.



    I doubt Soto starts in Dayton, he was the best player on the field almost every time he stepped onto it last year. He hit .326 there and it wasn't a lucky .326 either. He squares the ball up and hits it hard a whole lot. The ball jumps off his bat (not quite as much as Bruce or Francisco, but a whole lot still). From what I have seen and redsof72 also noted, I don't think the walks are a problem. He seems to know balls from strikes for the most part and if guys start to pitch around him, he isn't likely to turn into a hacker.

    Here is a video of a HR he hit in Dayton earlier this year
    Good video clip Doug, I remember that one. Man that kid hit's the ball hard, he's got some nice torque in his swing.
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    nice video, doug -- thanks for that

    looks to me that Soto has a very nice setup ("quiet" as BA put it) and the bat head is short to the ball -- HR swings tend to look good anyway, but that swing seems technically very solid to me
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    1. Great stuff, doug

    2. Which guys will actually contribute to the ML roster?

    3. Which guys can we realistically trade to obtain guys that will contribute to the ML roster?

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    With Stubbs, I think the low batting average and just "potential" power are one in the same. If and when he really squares one up, it goes a long ways. The problem is that he's not particularly adept at squaring it up. He's one of those guys for whom some adjust in his stroke can have significant affects because it won't just up his contact rate but could unlock his power potential at the same time.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    With Stubbs, I think the low batting average and just "potential" power are one in the same. If and when he really squares one up, it goes a long ways. The problem is that he's not particularly adept at squaring it up.
    They're not exactly the same. The "choking up" adjustment may have helped him address his contact problems. If he continues with that approach, he will sacrifice some "potential power." He may still have enough "in game power," especially at GAB, but he won't have the same light tower power he has occasionally shown.

    Still, being able to barrel up a ball consistently is not really a skill players can make significant gains in, in my opinion. I'm pretty resigned to Stubbs being an average offensive player, all things considered -- which is acceptable for a plus defensive CF.
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