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    There are crap pitches and crap pitches. If I've got Hernandez and Gonzalez coming next, I wouldn't throw anything EE would even have a chance of considering a strike. At the moment, we are talking about two automatic outs in the 7th and 8th hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    There are crap pitches and crap pitches. If I've got Hernandez and Gonzalez coming next, I wouldn't throw anything EE would even have a chance of considering a strike. At the moment, we are talking about two automatic outs in the 7th and 8th hole.
    Right now, that's right. I think it's doubtful that Hernandez stays in this slump. Gonzalez, we'll have to see. He's had a long lay off. I agree with those who say that it's still good to see EE starting the way he's has. It will bode well as the season progresses.
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    Re: 60 walks

    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    There are crap pitches and crap pitches. If I've got Hernandez and Gonzalez coming next, I wouldn't throw anything EE would even have a chance of considering a strike. At the moment, we are talking about two automatic outs in the 7th and 8th hole.
    Very true but if you look at what EE hasn't been swinging at you should be impressed. He's taken it so far that I sometimes get the yips sitting at home watching him, like "oh EE that was a stri...oh I guess not per the umpire". He's not just laying off easy stuff he is laying off of stuff right near his wheelhouse. He had one PA that I think he took it too far and took 2-3 pitches that were right down broadway and struck out looking.
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    As I said earlier today, we're looking for positive baby steps right now, nothing more. Edwin Encarnacion isn't a reincarnation of Babe Ruth, Ted Williams or Barry Bonds; he's not going to walk once every fourth time to the plate this season. But what we're looking for is a positive trend, the potential to turn a 9.5 PA/BB last season into maybe something like an 8 PA/BB this season (70 walks in 600 PAs). His start thus far is good news toward possibly heading down that path.

    If Encarnacion's increased walk total is a product of batting 6th, then that still tells us that he has improved his plate discipline. Rather than swing at crap pitches and pile up the outs, he's showing the ability and willingness to lay off crap pitches and take a free pass to first base.

    It also means Encarnacion gets it as far as the best piece of hitting advice a person can give a young hitter, advice that was passed on from Hornsby to Williams, among others ...

    "Get a good ball to hit."
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    Edwin is racking up walks just to spite us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Edwin is racking up walks just to spite us
    BASECLOGGER!!!

    But seriously, even if teams are pitching around Eddie and even if the bottom three in the lineup don't do anything about him Eddie being on base does two things.

    1. Causes the pitcher to throw at least four pitches. Ballclubs feast on middle relievers. The sooner you get to them the better.

    2. Every non out moves the lineup around. More PA's, the more potential runs.
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    I think Dusty should not hesitate to insert the likes of Janish and Hanigan if these guys continue to slump. Both Hernandez and AGon are borderline starters to begin with. I make them prove that they're better than their backups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    BASECLOGGER!!!

    But seriously, even if teams are pitching around Eddie and even if the bottom three in the lineup don't do anything about him Eddie being on base does two things.

    1. Causes the pitcher to throw at least four pitches. Ballclubs feast on middle relievers. The sooner you get to them the better.

    2. Every non out moves the lineup around. More PA's, the more potential runs.
    Good points. It's easy to lose the forest through the trees. Every single non-out increases the chance that your best hitters will get up to the plate another time. A walk in the third inning could be the difference between having Hairston or Votto up in a clutch situation in the 9th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I think Dusty should not hesitate to insert the likes of Janish and Hanigan if these guys continue to slump. Both Hernandez and AGon are borderline starters to begin with. I make them prove that they're better than their backups.
    I don't understand why Hanigan isn't getting more time. He had a pretty decent September last year and his defense is superior to Hernandez's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    I don't understand why Hanigan isn't getting more time. He had a pretty decent September last year and his defense is superior to Hernandez's.
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    Re: 60 walks

    Edwin's walk rate is worse through 6 games than it was through last years first 6.

    08- 8 walks in 24 PA
    09- 8 walks in 25 PA .... just sayin it's not really improved if you look at it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOBTTReds View Post
    Edwin's walk rate is worse through 6 games than it was through last years first 6.

    08- 8 walks in 24 PA
    09- 8 walks in 25 PA .... just sayin it's not really improved if you look at it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    No hablas espanol?
    Si, es verdad

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    Re: 60 walks

    Someone probably mentioned this already--but how 'bout Brandon Phillips and his 6 walks?! Perhaps someone converted him to believe in OBP after all?
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    Haha, well I think I had to point that out more because of Chris Welsh continually mentioning his patience being so much better this year. I then discovered he (and Thom) has a really short memory, because he also mentioned Phillips has struggled against MIL in his career despite crushing them in 2007.

    Edwin had 10 walks through 9 games last year. I thought he was going to break out in a huge way after that start. But by the end of May, his OBP was .306 and he only had 10 more walks in his next 44 games after the hot start.

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    Re: 60 walks

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Someone probably mentioned this already--but how 'bout Brandon Phillips and his 6 walks?! Perhaps someone converted him to believe in OBP after all?
    I hope he keeps that up. But that he has done that at all to this point suggests what I have always believed, just say something to these guys and who knows what could happen. BP seems to have taken Dusty's advice to some extent about being more patient especially with runners on. I noticed a bit of frustration in him the other night when he was trying to be patient and it didn't work out. He needs some time but if Dusty can keep him staying patient enough that he sees it works more often than it doesn't, we might get what I always said he could be. Had Dusty never said anything he probably would have kept on hacking but since Dusty has shown faith in him and his style he seems to take to the guy.
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