My Blockbuster Offseason Slobber-Knocker

[Krusty]

Chew on this:

Rockies trade OF Matt Holliday, catcher Chris Iannetta, OF Willy Taveras and infielder Clint Barnes to the Reds for second baseman Brandon Phillips, pitchers Johnny Cueto, Bill Bray, outfielders Drew Stubbs, Chris Dickinson and a lower level minor leaguer.

Reds lineup:
1. Willy Taveras cf
2. Jeff Keppinger/Clint Barnes 2b
3. Joey Votto lb
4. Matt Holliday LF
5. Jay Bruce RF
6. Edwin Encarnacion 3b
7. Chris Iannetta c
8. Alex Gonzalez/Clint Barnes ss

Starting pitchers:
1. Harang
2. Arroyo
3. Volquez
4. Owings
5. Possible free agent pitcher

Opinions?

[OnBaseMachine]

Heck no. Johnny Cueto should be off limits. This strengthens the offense but weakens the pitching.

[Krusty]

See that is the problem.....you have to give up something to get something.

If you're not willing to part with Bruce, Votto or Volquez, the Rockies won't take the likes of Homer Bailey. Thus you have to include Cueto in the deal.

[*BaseClogger*]

See that is the problem.....you have to give up something to get something.

If you're not willing to part with Bruce, Votto or Volquez, the Rockies won't take the likes of Homer Bailey. Thus you have to include Cueto in the deal.

Then tell the Rockies off and look somewhere else. The Reds can improve their talent without Matt Holliday and they probably aren't going to be playoff contenders in 2009 anyways...

[Krusty]

Then tell the Rockies off and look somewhere else. The Reds can improve their talent without Matt Holliday and they probably aren't going to be playoff contenders in 2009 anyways...

And if I'm the Rockies GM, I say fine. You see they can keep Holliday and trade him at the July trading deadline if they are out of contention come 2009. If they are in it, I think they would take the draft picks if the Rockies get back to the playoffs.

You have to give them a reason to trade Holliday during the offseason.

[Joseph]

See that is the problem.....you have to give up something to get something.

If you're not willing to part with Bruce, Votto or Volquez, the Rockies won't take the likes of Homer Bailey. Thus you have to include Cueto in the deal.

Krusty, you've been at this game long enough to know that people decide someone is a plus player, an asset, and once they do, they become untouchable.

Any deal you propose in which we give up marginally realized talent, much less actual talent will be met with replies just like this one.

[Johnny Footstool]

Krusty, you've been at this game long enough to know that people decide someone is a plus player, an asset, and once they do, they become untouchable.

Any deal you propose in which we give up marginally realized talent, much less actual talent will be met with replies just like this one.

Correct.

The expectation is that the Reds can wad up a pack of B-grade prospects and non-talent, and trade them for a superstar.

[Will M]

Krusty, you've been at this game long enough to know that people decide someone is a plus player, an asset, and once they do, they become untouchable.

wrong.

cueto and volquez are untouchable because they are really good pitchers and cheap.

votto and bruce are near untouchables because they are really good and cheap.

why would a small market rebuilding team trade away good cheap talent for good expensive talent?

[REDREAD]

Krusty, you've been at this game long enough to know that people decide someone is a plus player, an asset, and once they do, they become untouchable.

Any deal you propose in which we give up marginally realized talent, much less actual talent will be met with replies just like this one.

Yep, unless the Reds just give up junk or big salaries, the majority of the board will not like the trade.

IMO, no one on this team should be untouchable.

Glad to see you around Krusty.

[Highlifeman21]

Heck no. Johnny Cueto should be off limits. This strengthens the offense but weakens the pitching.

What he said.

Replace Cueto with Bailey in your original offer, and you might have something there.

[Will M]

cueto and volquez are 100% untouchable. 100%

[*BaseClogger*]

Why Taveras or Barmes? Taveras had a .308 OBP this season and Barmes .322. And no way I give up Cueto in any deal...

[Krusty]

Why Taveras or Barmes? Taveras had a .308 OBP this season and Barmes .322. And no way I give up Cueto in any deal...

Buy low and sell high theory.

[*BaseClogger*]

Buy low and sell high theory.

Then it is probaby time to buy low on Corey Patterson and re-sign him too...

[Krusty]

Then it is probaby time to buy low on Corey Patterson and re-sign him too...

Track record is everything. And we all know Patterson's was all Dusty Baker's doings. I think Jockerty will have more of say with ownership listening than Baker. I think Bob C. realizes his mistake of listening to Baker and overpaying to bring Patterson here.