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    Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    You have to wonder if Uncle Walt plans to make the same splash with acquiring Matt Holliday as he did at the July 31 trading deadline back in 1997 when he acquired Mark McGwire for T.J. Mathews, Eric Ludwick and B. Stein? And even though McGwire would have been a free agent at the end of the season, Jockerty was able to sign him to a contract extension that September.

    When the Cardinals acquired McGwire, that is when their fortunes turned around. Now fastforward to the present and substitute the Reds for the Cardinals and Holliday for McGwire. Think history can repeat itself?

    The Rockies are looking for young pitching. Obviously they would ask for either Volquez or Cueto. But with no guarantee that that Holliday would sign a contract extension, what team would risk giving a pitcher of that caliber? Very few unless the Yankees are serious about trading Phillip Hughes, which they even refused to do in the Santana trade talks with Minnesota last year. And with Mussina and Pettite most likely to retire, the Yankees will be looking hard for pitching.

    Think Uncle Walt can put together a deal like Homer Bailey, Josh Roenicke and Juan Francisco for Holliday, and sign him to a contract extension? Would Holliday have the same magnitude for the Reds as McGwire did with the Cardinals. Or would the Reds be making a serious mistake putting all that payroll into one player? If the Reds are close like several have said, does acquiring Holliday put them over the top, and replace the lost production with the departures of Griffey and Dunn?
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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    If he can pull off a deal at the price he got when with St. Louis, but you're talking about giving up considerably more than the Cards did. The players the A's received proved to be fairly pedestrian. I understand the trade market viz young prospects has changed dramatically in the last several years (part of Krivsky's ultimate downfall, I think), I wouldn't want to give up so much.

    I think you're right, given today's trade market, that we'd have to pay such a price, and I'm hesitant to go there (and it may be that you've describe the Cardinal trio as it is).
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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    While a deal resembling the one that brought McGwire to the Cards if it happens for the Reds would be a step in the right direction, Holliday is the wrong target, IMO.

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    Doubt it happens like that, because Holliday is set on testing free agency. I also doubt Bailey is included because they apparently don't want him and if he pitches well enough to change their minds I doubt we want to get rid of him.

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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    Weren't the three guys he gave up for Mac akin to giving up Cueto, Roenicke, and Stubbs now? IE a couple solid AAA guys and a young 'stud' pitcher? I know they didn't pan out that way, but wasn't it the line of thought back then?

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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    Weren't the three guys he gave up for Mac akin to giving up Cueto, Roenicke, and Stubbs now? IE a couple solid AAA guys and a young 'stud' pitcher? I know they didn't pan out that way, but wasn't it the line of thought back then?

    No, none of them, at the time, projected to be a Cueto.

    Remember, Cueto has already pitched a full season in the majors as a regular starting pitcher.

    And why are we starting a new thread on exactly the same thing we have going on the previous one?

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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    I don't think we should expect history to repeat itself unless Matt Holiday hits 74 home runs in a season, cleanly.

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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    I don't think we should expect history to repeat itself unless Matt Holiday hits 74 home runs in a season, cleanly.
    But then history wouldn't be repeating itself...
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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    But then history wouldn't be repeating itself...
    I knew someone would say that, but I meant in terms of Holliday being the Reds' McGwire.

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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    I would do that deal in a second but I think the Rox want more. If like doug said, they have no interest in Bailey, I would see if they had interest in Arroyo.
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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    The difference is that McGwire was acquired on the cheap. The package that landed him was Eric Ludwick, T.J. Mathews, and Blake Stein. None of those were top prospects. The Rockies want a lot more value than that.

    Furthermore, Boras is Holliday's agent. There is no way in the world Holliday doesn't test free agency. If you've followed the Manny saga closely, let's just say it wasn't Manny's idea to force his way out of Boston.
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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    True but the Reds should have an idea of what kind of contract to expect from Holliday given what Manny Ramirez receives in free agency. That will tell alot how much interest the Reds supposedly have in Holliday, if any.
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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty View Post
    True but the Reds should have an idea of what kind of contract to expect from Holliday given what Manny Ramirez receives in free agency. That will tell alot how much interest the Reds supposedly have in Holliday, if any.
    How much is Teixeira going to cost?
    How much would Holliday cost?
    If the Reds can sign Teixeira why sign or why try to trade for a one year of Holliday?
    If the Reds can’t afford Teixeira and can’t sign him, how could the Reds afford or sign Holliday?

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    Mark Teixeira Age 28 2008 $12,500,000 	        Matt Holliday Age 28  2008: $9,500,000
    Career .290 .378 .541 .919 			Career .319 .386 .552 .938
    
    3Yr Splits					3Yr Splits
    Total .298 .393 .541 .934			Total .329 .400 .579 .979
    
    vs. Left .319 .411 .544 .955 			vs. Left .306 .398 .547 .945 			
    vs. Right .289 .385 .540 .925			vs. Right .335 .401 .588 .989
    
    Runners On .302 .417 .542 .959 		        Runners On .318 .395 .534 .929 
    Scoring Position .331 .463 .579 1.042	        Scoring Position .302 .395 .483 .878

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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring~Fields View Post
    If the Reds can sign Teixeira why sign or why try to trade for a one year of Holliday?
    Because the Reds already have a first baseman....
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    Re: Matt Holliday = Mark McGwire Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Because the Reds already have a first baseman....
    I think the Reds improve themselves defensively by signing Texieria to play lst base and shift Votto to LF. But is the switch hitting Texieria (who bats better lefthanded than right) the answer to the Reds need for a righthanded hitter?
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