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  • Neftali Soto

    78 59.09%
  • Drew Stubbs

    28 21.21%
  • Juan Duran

    7 5.30%
  • Yorman Rodriguez

    0 0%
  • Chris Valaika

    3 2.27%
  • Kyle Lotzkar

    3 2.27%
  • Devin Mesoraco

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  • Danny Dorn

    6 4.55%
  • Zach Stewart

    1 0.76%
  • Juan Francisco

    0 0%
  • Daryl Thompson

    4 3.03%
  • Carlos Fisher

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  • Josh Roenicke

    2 1.52%
  • Ramon Ramirez

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  • Chris Dickerson

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Thread: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

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    Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    Let the voting begin. This poll will close on Tuesday evening.

    Redszone's Top Prospects:

    Prospect #1 - Yonder Alonso
    Prospect #2 - Todd Frazier
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    I vote based on ceiling. While Lotzkar and Soto were very impressive at age 18 and 19 and will be my next choices, both had an issue with walks.

    So I have to go Duran who seems to be our top 16 year old signee, capable of being a megastar.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    I'll again vote for Neftali Soto. Still raw as a hitter but still managed to hit .340 with a .920 OPS as a 19 year old.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    I'm also going with Duran. He could realistically fulfill his potential, which looks like it was made for a video game.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    Soto clearly.
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    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    Stubbs. There's no DH in the National League.

    Once Stubbs hit so well in AA and AAA, he rocketed up my list.

    Soto is a better hitting prospect. All around, I give the edge to Stubbs.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    There's no DH in the National League.
    What's that supposed to mean? Are you trying to imply that Soto is strictly a DH? Because that's far from the truth.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    What's that supposed to mean? Are you trying to imply that Soto is strictly a DH? Because that's far from the truth.
    Yea everything I have read about him is a strong arm and never a knock.

    He gets my vote because the numbers at his age are just sick.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    What's that supposed to mean? Are you trying to imply that Soto is strictly a DH? Because that's far from the truth.

    Of course not.

    It means that, particularly for an NL parent team, defense is important.

    Perhaps Soto can be competent defensively, but I haven't read that he has any special defensive skills.

    Stubbs is reputedly a superb centerfielder. Given his good hitting at advanced levels, he edges out Soto for me in the number three spot. If Stubbs hits for an .800 OPS at AAA next year, he becomes a viable candidate -- along with Alonso -- for the Reds top overall prospect.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Of course not.

    It means that, particularly for an NL parent team, defense is important.

    Perhaps Soto can be competent defensively, but I haven't read that he has any special defensive skills.

    Stubbs is reputedly a superb centerfielder. Given his good hitting at advanced levels, he edges out Soto for me in the number three spot. If Stubbs hits for an .800 OPS at AAA next year, he becomes a viable candidate -- along with Alonso -- for the Reds top overall prospect.
    If he had done that over a year I would agree with you but it was a small sample size that he did that in. I am pulling for the guy like anyone else but he needs to show more consistency
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Of course not.

    It means that, particularly for an NL parent team, defense is important.

    Perhaps Soto can be competent defensively, but I haven't read that he has any special defensive skills.

    Stubbs is reputedly a superb centerfielder. Given his good hitting at advanced levels, he edges out Soto for me in the number three spot. If Stubbs hits for an .800 OPS at AAA next year, he becomes a viable candidate -- along with Alonso -- for the Reds top overall prospect.
    I agree 100% that defense is important. I've been one of the biggest advocates of improving the Reds defense. I also agree that Stubbs would make a strong bid for the Reds #1 prospect if he can OPS north of .800 next season. As for Soto, while he doesn't have any special defensive skills, he's not a liability either. Most expect him to have average range at third base to go along with his strong arm. That's fine, not too many teams, if any, have plus defenders at every position.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    It's still Dorn, with serious consideration to Valaika. Why? They both are closer to getting the call than so many on the list, and, have shown the ability at high enough level to be able to play with the Big Boys sometime soon.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    Soto was #2 for me. Since he can't hold that spot, #3 should be a given. The Reds' development staff needs to hit on the right positions for Soto, Frazier and Valaika, because they are all going to be quality ML hitters.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    I too am an advocate for defense, it's simply necc. to not have any glaring weaknesses and preferably several plus defenders. That said if you cannot do enough offensively it really doesn't matter how good you are defensively. Soto is a kid with a very good offensive game and no defensive deficiencies to speak of. Stubbs OTOH is still questionable offensively with sterling defense. Stubbs is also alot closer and plays a premium defensive position, so I can see why someone would vote him ahead of Soto.

    But it's not gonna be me, Soto can be special offensively which is something that you just don't overlook or undervalue. As horrible as Manny Ramirez's defense is and how big a cancer he can be he has made a ton of money off the fact that he is a special offensive player. Now imagine a guy who isn't even the force Manny is, say Jason Bay but plays a fair 3B and isn't a cancer? Is that more valuable than a Mike Cameron at best player or less? Ughh, gimme that slugging 3B and that CF but if I can only have one I'll take the 3B by a nose & a half.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #3 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    I too am an advocate for defense, it's simply necc. to not have any glaring weaknesses and preferably several plus defenders. That said if you cannot do enough offensively it really doesn't matter how good you are defensively. Soto is a kid with a very good offensive game and no defensive deficiencies to speak of. Stubbs OTOH is still questionable offensively with sterling defense. Stubbs is also alot closer and plays a premium defensive position, so I can see why someone would vote him ahead of Soto.

    But it's not gonna be me, Soto can be special offensively which is something that you just don't overlook or undervalue. As horrible as Manny Ramirez's defense is and how big a cancer he can be he has made a ton of money off the fact that he is a special offensive player. Now imagine a guy who isn't even the force Manny is, say Jason Bay but plays a fair 3B and isn't a cancer? Is that more valuable than a Mike Cameron at best player or less? Ughh, gimme that slugging 3B and that CF but if I can only have one I'll take the 3B by a nose & a half.
    As the post-season reports from the various publications come out, let's see what they say about Soto's defensive prowess. Should be interesting.

    I've read that the jury is still out on his defense and that he isn't fast. (Have not read that he's a terrible liability or anything.) Maybe, on balance, he will grade out well. We'll have to see.
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