I think Walt should look into this."Ryan Hanigan proved very capable of catching in the Major Leagues on an everyday basis," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. "If he was our starting catcher next season, I don't think we'd hesitate nor have a problem with that. If there is a frontline catcher out there and available, we'd take a look."
If the Reds can get Russell Martin for Brandon Phillips straight up, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Catcher is the toughest of the eight field positions to fill IMO. Keppinger, Freel, perhaps one of the young kids are not going to replace BP defensively but I'll take my chances.
Offensively, I've been a big backer of Phillips and I've felt that '07 was about where he would peak anytime tha he had a solid year. To me, he regressed a bit in '08 as he flailed constantly at pitches that were either out of the strike zone or were out of his 'hitting zone'.
Phillips for Martin would be, overall, a decent upgrade in overall defense IMO. Not a huge leap but it would make the Reds stronger overall.
Do this deal and then see if you can get Kahlil Greene from the Pads for some prospects.
Who would get the better/worse end of this deal? I'm really not sure.
Salary-wise, everything would pretty much balance out, even if you include what Martin would likely receive in arbitration. A big difference, though, is that Arroyo has a buyout in 2011 and Pierre doesn't.
What else can we get from the Dodgers?
Martin's a great start, but I'm feelin' greedy.
I'd wanna know what it would take to get Matt Kemp, as well.
Probably more than we can feasibly afford, but I hope Walt's askin'....
I think the primary motivation for moving Martin will be to also dump some salary as suggested earlier and it looks to be either Pierre or Jones.
Either is a tough pill to swallow but it should dramatically lesson the talent going back to LA. I'd consider buying Martin for $15M (Jones' '09 salary) depending upon the body i have to send the other way.
The alternative is to pay quite a bit in talent.
I think Martin is under control for another 4 years but he'll start getting expensive the final two.
Do the Reds trust that they have the resources to make him redundant during that tenure?
Really on the surface it's a no brainer but I think this one falls into the grey area that makes it a potentially fascinating debate.
Martin/Hannigan is a compelling combo. It's Bob C's money. I'd pull the trigger.
Reds get: Martin/Jones/Hu
Dodgers get: ????????
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Bottom line though I just don't see them parting with Martin despite the rumors. It just doesn't make any sense to trade such a significant player at such a premium position. Perhaps it's simply a ploy to motivate people in the trade market to call so we can then show these fine old OF's we have to deal. Just doesn't add up that they suddenly don't care for his makeup when that was supposed to be one of his greatest strengths IIRC.
If they cannot re-sign Furcal how about Jones & Hu for Gonzo and Freel? They save 5 million in salary for '09 which could go towards them re-signing Manny or Lowe. Heck I might even split the difference of Freel and Gonzo's contract with them so they can save 10 million. All to get a young defensive wiz at SS? I'm all for that even.
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