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    Re: Would you do Votto for Ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    I'd do Votto for Ellsbury. I expect Votto to provide more power, but he plays a power position. I don't expect him to provide enough power to offset the defense and speed Ellsbury would provide to the centerfield position. This is obviously not the popular opinion here, but we have watched Reds lose a load of games with poor fielding, power hitting teams through the last ten years. That is a long time. I'm well past ready for a change of design. I'm ready to try pitching, speed, and defense. Even if they lose with pitching, speed, and defense, it will be a different design.
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    Re: Would you do Votto for Ellsbury?

    I just don't see where trading Votto for Ellsbury makes any sense at all for the Reds. The Reds already have Chris Dickerson in CF. Dickerson is Ellsbury with more strikeouts and more power. We also have Drew Stubbs in Louisville, who basically projects as the right handed version of Ellsbury. Votto is a solid fielder at first base and a much better hitter than Ellsbury. IMO the Reds would get ripped off if they made this trade.
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    Re: Would you do Votto for Ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    I think OBM meant MIF and no Frazier doesn't have the range to do it exclusively. Votto's issues were more tied to the nuances of playing 1st, but he clearly had the talent to be fine there. Frazier simply doesn't have the talent to be a major league MIF.
    My fault, I meant middle infield. I think Frazier could be a fine third baseman but he's not middle infielder.
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    Re: Would you do Votto for Ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    I'd do Votto for Ellsbury. I expect Votto to provide more power, but he plays a power position. I don't expect him to provide enough power to offset the defense and speed Ellsbury would provide to the centerfield position. This is obviously not the popular opinion here, but we have watched Reds lose a load of games with poor fielding, power hitting teams through the last ten years. That is a long time. I'm well past ready for a change of design. I'm ready to try pitching, speed, and defense. Even if they lose with pitching, speed, and defense, it will be a different design.
    But the Reds have Dickerson, Stubbs and Heisey ready and/or in the high minors. They have speed and defense for CF coming out their ears. All those guys are probably better than Ellsbury defensively and just as fast. Ellsbury might be a better bat but CF isn't a big need area for the Reds at this time IMO and is actually an area where the Reds have some depth to deal. Don't let the last few awful years of Griffey, Freel and Patterson fool you. Those days are gone. Any deal with the Red Sox that includes Votto needs to start with Jed Lowrie and build from there.
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    Re: Would you do Votto for Ellsbury?

    I'm not sure I wouldn't trade Bruce before Votto, but I wouldn't trade either one for Jacoby and probably not anything. I'd trade something for Jacoby, but I'm not sure what. I wouldn't mind the Reds picking up Melky too. He would be outstanding as a 4th outfielder.
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    Re: Would you do Votto for Ellsbury?

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    Re: Would you do Votto for Ellsbury?

    Forget trading Votto for him, isn't handing Dusty Baker a speedy CFer with a .336 OBP just a bad idea in general?
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