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  • Zach Cozart

    1 0.72%
  • Chris Dickerson

    11 7.91%
  • Danny Dorn

    12 8.63%
  • Juan Duran

    21 15.11%
  • Carlos Fisher

    2 1.44%
  • Juan Francisco

    9 6.47%
  • Kyle Lotzkar

    38 27.34%
  • Matt Maloney

    0 0%
  • Devin Mesoraco

    6 4.32%
  • Ramon Ramirez

    5 3.60%
  • Yorman Rodriguez

    4 2.88%
  • Josh Roenicke

    0 0%
  • Zach Stewart

    8 5.76%
  • Daryl Thompson

    18 12.95%
  • Justin Turner

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by kpresidente View Post
    I wonder, is there anybody in our ML system who you think isn't better than their stats? Anybody worse?
    There are some guys who I don't think are as good as their basic stat lines would suggest. There are some guys who I also think are better than their basic stat lines also. Its all about projection and minor league stats don't hold the same projection value as major league stats do.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Ramirez throws his fastball in the 89-92 mph range and mixes in a plus changeup and an occasional slider. I remember Rick Sweet saying it's possibly the best changeup in the organization. What makes it so great is the incredible sink on it, I don't know how many times I saw a hitter chase it in the dirt. Right now I think he's got the stuff to be a solid big league starter, but if he can improve that slider he could raise his ceiling a bit. He's not on the level of a Cueto or Volquez, but he's a good pitching prospect IMO.
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    As for weaknesses, he did struggle some against left handed batters in limited duty. Too small a sample size to determine if that will be a major weakness down the road.
    Thanks guys. I like a guy with a filthy changeup, that bodes very well for him sticking but until he can get that breaking pitch working and/or maybe gains a mph or 2 on his fb I think I would keep him a bit lower than this spot.

    I gotta go Dickerson here, I mean he has alot going for him so I will put him here currently. I just wish alot of the others didn't have such large flags right now, as this is more an indicment of them than a plus for him.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    I would like to nominate Chris Heisey for the next poll

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    If you're going upper minors, look no further than Danny Dorn. Solid defensively (okay, he won't actively hurt you), decent speed, and a nice power bat. He's, at worst, a PH with pop at the big league level and probably the southpaw side of a really productive platoon. If he can hit lefties at all, he may even progress to All Star upside.

    I know that doesn't sound like much, but, times were, that was the best the Cincinnati pipeline could muster. He's got an intriguing bat and I think he breaks out this year to the tune of 290/375/550 if he's healthy.
    Agreed. I am looking at the guys closest to MLB ready. Now that Valaika finally made the list, Dorn has got to be next. He would have made a quantum leap in '08 on everybody's list, if he hadn't missed a month+ with the sliced leg. He projects a few HRs less than Dunn (30-35), a 20-30 point higher BA, and significantly better glove and speed.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    124 votes with exactly one day of voting left. Not bad. This one isn't as close as I thought it would be. It looks like the next poll may come down to Daryl Thompson and Juan Duran.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    Doug rolling with Devin Mesoraco at #6... a bit surprised at that one. Interested to read your take as to why you rank him so high at this juncture, Doug.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    Doug rolling with Devin Mesoraco at #6... a bit surprised at that one. Interested to read your take as to why you rank him so high at this juncture, Doug.
    I think his bat will come around from what I watched this year. Defensively, he needs some work, but has all the tools and he is a hard worker, so I have faith that he can do it. High risk, high reward.... but his reward is pretty high.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    I'll go Mesoraco next, but I favor the arms early...
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    Doug rolling with Devin Mesoraco at #6... a bit surprised at that one. Interested to read your take as to why you rank him so high at this juncture, Doug.
    I was gonna also take him here however he had 15 passed balls and the worst part was he only had 19 of 109 CS. I know the pitcher's weren't doing him any favors (holding guys on) but that # shocked me when I saw it. I'm sure he will improve and hopefully bye a great deal but that hurt him here with me. The offense doesn't concern me as much yet.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    Mesoraco is another guy whose bat being good enough depends entirely on his glove being good enough. When its a guy like Stubbs, Dickerson or Cozart that we know have the glove, that doesn't scare me off as much. When its a guy like Frazier or Soto who have bats that will play anywhere, that doesn't bother me as much either. But guys like Mesoraco and Valaika whose bats are only assets if they can handle certain spots defensively, don't deserve high rankings IMO until the glove becomes more proven. As a result, I have Valaika at 16 and Mesoraco at 19.

    I think Lotzkar as the only starter with TOR potential in this poll is the clear choice at number 5. I'll go with Dickerson next.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    Lotzkar's broken elbow was associated with throwing his slider, which was a plus secondary pitch. If you read the interview with Lotzkar on Doug's site, you'll see that Lotzkar appears to have lost confidence in how he threw the slider -- not good. He's going to make an adjustment of some kind with the pitch, and in my mind that means all bets are off. I was quite high on Lotzkar until the injury -- now, he may not be in my top 20.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    No love for the guy that posted a 1.021 OPS in 100 AB's at the major league level.

    Dickerson for me.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    No love for the guy that posted a 1.021 OPS in 100 AB's at the major league level.

    Dickerson for me.
    Been saying it since #4.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    No love for the guy that posted a 1.021 OPS in 100 AB's at the major league level.

    Dickerson for me.
    Maybe they are putting more stock in his career minor league OPS of .778 over 2200 at-bats? Don't get me wrong, I like Dickerson. I just have a hard time putting him high on any prospect list based on his age, career minor league numbers, and his projection of being a 4th outfielder/platoon guy in the majors.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Maybe they are putting more stock in his career minor league OPS of .778 over 2200 at-bats? Don't get me wrong, I like Dickerson. I just have a hard time putting him high on any prospect list based on his age, career minor league numbers, and his projection of being a 4th outfielder/platoon guy in the majors.
    His minor league OPS of .778 is similar to the number used to justify how great Stubbs is. Something along the lines of "if he (Stubbs) can post an OPS above .750 and play GG defense, he'll be a success." Dickerson is Stubbs albeit a couple of years older, and more experienced. Stubbs rocketed through three levels, but didn't really have the stats to warrant the promotion.

    Dickerson had 4 full seasons where his SLG went up 2005 at Sarasota .383, 2006 at Chatt. .424, 2007 at Louisville .435 and 2007 also at Louisville .479.

    The both start a full season at High A at the same age, 23, but Stubbs was instead pushed through the system despite the fact that he didn't reall SLG much at all. yes he did hit a little more at Sarasota, but his SLG, which we were told would jump when he left Sarasota stayed almost exactly the same. Now racing through the system increases his value as it keeps his age down relative to level, but he's not exactly tearing up the AFL. His stats at AAA were pretty har outside his norm, and the sample was pretty small, suggesting it was something of a fluke for him to SLG about 70 points higher than his minor league career going into his first AAA game.

    I'm not saying he shouldn't be in the top 10, but I don't think he should be higher than Dickerson. JMO.
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