I hear you on the Stubbs comp, TRF. You make a solid argument. Outside of age, is there a significant difference between the two? Both strike out quite a bit, play great defense and have great speed. I keep hearing Stubbs has a higher ceiling though. Maybe that's why he gets more respect.
So Doug is basically saying age is the driver for why Stubbs gets more respect than Dickerson.
Lets not take it as I don't like Dickerson, I do.... I just also see him as more of a guy who will have a few decent years at the plate in a specialized utility role where he doesn't face lefties at all before heading to the bench as a backup by the age of 30.
I think he's having his value artificially inflated in the hopes that one of two things happens.
I'd have Dickerson at 5 and Stubbs closer to 8 in a top ten list.
- he rises to the challenge and lives up to his draft slot and potential. From all accounts, Stubbs "looks" like a ball player. Good frame, speed, can take a walk, but K's a bunch and his swing isn't one that generates a lot of power.
- The Reds are looking to package him while his value is high.
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And I have no idea what to really think of Stubbs at this point.
Stubbs also has two years to actually SLG what Dickerson did 2 levels ago. He hasn't done it yet, and he's significantly behind him at this point as far as production goes per level.
I just see the value in the guy that has already had success in full seasons at every level. Dickerson may be an average to above average MLB player, and he could blossom into a star. He's younger than 2/3 of the St. Louis OF. I think he's better than Schumaker offensively and defensively. And I can easily see him putting up similar numbers to Ludwick in 2007. Add to that his defense which has never been in question.
BTW, Ryan Ludwick posted a .966 OPS in his second full season at age 30.
I just see Dickerson higher on the list is all.
But I don't want to turn a good series of threads into another of our tireless Stubbs debates, so I'll bow out now.
I'll keep voting Dickerson until he's no longer an option.
Last edited by TRF; 10-28-2008 at 11:57 AM.
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The next poll will be open within the next 30 minutes or so. Do you guys prefer keeping the voting open for two days or three?
I miss Adam Dunn.
I know this poll is over, but want to add my 2 cents on the Dickerson/Stubbs debate. I think these guys are pretty close. Dickerson, being a lefty, has the platoon advantage more often and since these guys both have the potential to go south offensively, I think that actually makes Dickerson the better bet.
Stubbs OTOH is younger, was a first round pick and a guy with a major college background. I think that Stubbs would have greater market value if the Reds were to put him on the block today, so that gives him the nod in my book, but I really think Dickerson has a batter chance to "make it." In my personal rankngs I had Stubbs at 4 and Dickerson at 6.
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