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    Jarrod Saltalamacchia

    Supposedly the Rangers are shopping their catchers for pitching. Laird, Saltalamacchia and Max Ramirez could be available. Given the state of the Reds catching corps, would you just settle with Ryan Hanigan as your starting catcher? Would you deal Homer Bailey for Jarrod Saltalamacchia?

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    Re: Jarrod Saltalamacchia

    I think I'd rather do Daryl Thompson for Max Ramirez.
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    I'd go Arroyo and Freel for Byrd and Ramirez. I'd even proably add in a Maloney or perhaps a Thompson, in exchange for bumping that Ramirez up to a Teargarten. I'd also look at Brandon McCarthy as a possible sleeper from the Rangers. Perhaps a Bailey, Arroyo, Freel, Thomson package for McCarthy, Byrd, and Teargarten?

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    Re: Jarrod Saltalamacchia

    If I have to go with a catcher and choose between Salty, Laird and Hanigan, I will take Hanigan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    If I have to go with a catcher and choose between Salty, Laird and Hanigan, I will take Hanigan.
    And I'd go with Ramirez over all three. While I would probably prefer to deal Thompson, it might take Bailey. And I'd do that too.

    As far as McCarthy goes, I doubt the Rangers are trying to deal away from their currently starved rotation.
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    Salty won't stick at Catcher. He's Javyesque.

    I don't think choosing one catcher is the right way to look at it. The Reds need to acquire some one to share the spot even if we're satisfied with Hanigan. I'd prefer Teagarden and would go Bailey plus to get him. Maybe get them to throw in Joaquin Arias (since they probably won't deal Elvis Andrus). Heck for Teagarden and Arias I'd go Bailey and Thompson.
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    Re: Jarrod Saltalamacchia

    I think I'd have to agree with Doug on this one. I've seen tons of people talk up Saltamachia, but I've yet to see anything worth raving about. And his defense is supposedly VERY poor. The last thing we need is another defensive hole on our club, especially up the middle.

    Laird just looks like a dime a dozen backup, think Ross, Valentine, Bako, etc.

    Ramirez, however, I just don't know enough about. Anybody have some report on him?

    ~edit~ just read the article,....
    Aren't too worried about defense, but need some power and plate discipline? The Rangers can discuss Max Ramirez.
    That doesn't instill confidence in me for Ramirez. I'll pass.

    In regards to Hanigan, I know everybody here is sick of the revolving door of backstops, but take a step back and re-look at Ryan. Defensive catcher of the year in the international league IIRC. Defense and pitch-calling should be the ONLY thing you look for in a catcher. Any offense he brings is a bonus IMO. And Ryan brings more than enough. In his two stints with the Reds he's hit .274, with a .367 obp. 11 bb/11 k's. Yes, it's only 36 games & 95 ab's...but it IS mlb success. In the minors, he'd been up and down, but even his down seasons have been better than what we've been getting from the catcher position. Last season at Louisville he hit .324, .392 obp, .419 slg, .811 ops in 75 games & 272 ab's. 25 bb/39 k's. 6 sac's and 9 hit into DP. Only 4 HR's & 39 RBI's, but if his weakness is his lack of power...I'll take it for the rest of those numbers.

    Could we do better than Hanigan? Sure. But I don't really call it a position of need anymore. If we see a deal that improves us at that position...sure. But I don't deal because we CAN. I don't see either Laird or Salty being better than Hanigan. Or at least not substantially better.
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    Re: Jarrod Saltalamacchia

    I disagree, Doug. Saltalamacchia reminds me of Eddie Taubensee quite a bit. Solid to above average with the bat and, as long as he hits 280/340/400 or better, that's more than enough. Plus, he's only 23 and a switch hitter. He'd make a fine addition to Cincinnati and, as a catcher only, he's a 120+ tOPS. That's really solid and in enough at-bats that I think it's at least a low ball justification of his major league abilities.

    It's also a rather astute gamble (depending on who goes the other way) that Saltalamacchia can recapture his minor league excellence and hit at an All Star level. If you can find a 23-year-old AS caliber C for what would essentially be a third starter, you've improved your team, IMO.

    As to Laird, I also like his potential, though, obviously less so. Laird's offense is around league average and a good bet to stay there. His arm and glove are both above average, though, and, with Jocketty's track record, he's the likely target. Laird is more expensive and a FA after 2010, so you've got arbitration and only two years of control. Therefore, I'd probably only offer a Maloney or a Thompson for him and see if Texas bites

    I'm pretty certain that wouldn't get it done, as Boston is looking to improve its catching and he seems like a Boston guy-- arrogant (his number-- 15-- refers to "one man, five tools"), athletic, and tough.
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    Salty is a catcher only because someone lets him wear the gear. We already have a logjam at first base and left field, no need to add another guy to that mix because someone used to let him wear a catchers mask.

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    I've seen him catch, Doug. Yes, he's below average, but it's not as poor as all that. He's at least as good with the tools of ignorance as Posada, Victor Martinez, and our own Javy the Pornstache.

    If Javy could hit 280/350/425 as a switch hitter, I'd want him back there full time, too. He's also as good as Eddie Taubensee, an eary career Jason LaRue, last season's Paul Bako and David Ross, and, the posterboy for poor defensive catchers, Mike Piazza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    I've seen him catch, Doug. Yes, he's below average, but it's not as poor as all that. He's at least as good with the tools of ignorance as Posada, Victor Martinez, and our own Javy the Pornstache.

    If Javy could hit 280/350/425 as a switch hitter, I'd want him back there full time, too. He's also as good as Eddie Taubensee, an eary career Jason LaRue, last season's Paul Bako and David Ross, and, the posterboy for poor defensive catchers, Mike Piazza.
    If he could hit like Mike Piazza, then sure, lets get him. But if he could hit like Mike Piazza he wouldn't be on the block. In the majors Salty has thrown out 17 of 94 base runners. Thats 18%. That just doesn't cut it for me.

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    Can Castillo actually catch or is he a Eli Marrero type ( has value because he can play lots of positions but is really an emergency catcher only ) ?
    If Castillo can actually catch I'd be fine with Hanigan/Castillo for 2009.
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    Re: Jarrod Saltalamacchia

    Teagarden is my first target, but I don't think the Rangers will trade him. Next is Max Ramirez. He defense isn't great, but it's better than Salty's. He's probably the best hitter of the bunch - I see him as a .850+ OPS hitter with about 25 homers a year. I'd trade Daryl Thompson + a lesser prospect for him.
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    Rangers Saltalamacchi to Red Sox?

    The Red Sox could try to sign Jason Varitek to a short-term deal or trade for a young catcher, with Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Taylor Teagarden of the Rangers and Kelly Shoppach of the Indians (formerly of the Sox) the most frequently mentioned. Saltalamacchia might be destined to play a position other than catcher, given his lack of defensive skills. And any young catcher will be very expensive to acquire, given the deficit in talent at the position. -- Boston Globe

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Teagarden is my first target, but I don't think the Rangers will trade him. Next is Max Ramirez. He defense isn't great, but it's better than Salty's. He's probably the best hitter of the bunch - I see him as a .850+ OPS hitter with about 25 homers a year. I'd trade Daryl Thompson + a lesser prospect for him.
    I think that Texas should have to give up much more than a questionable catcher for pitching especially as heavily armed offensively and pitching deplete as they are. (They have the cannons, but don’t have any cannon balls.)

    Why help them to the playoffs without getting your own teams saddle bags filled in return? Your team should get more than a tumble weed of a catching prospect that is mostly PR in return for pitching.



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