"On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."
The only way Gonzalez is leaving is if Walt cuts him. I can't imagine any team giving up anything of value for him, even if he has a healthy spring training.
I guess I'll take him if the padres are giving him away for box tops. The reds are not in a position where giving away real or future talent for a bunch of one year rentals is a good thing.
"Even a bad day at the ballpark beats the snot out of most other good days. I'll take my scorecard and pencil and beer and hot dog and rage at the dips and cheer at the highs, but I'm not ever going to stop loving this game and this team and nobody will ever take that away from me." Roy Tucker October 2010
The problem I see though, is that SD wants to shed salary. I think they'd probably prefer to give up Greene for nothing than take on AGon.
Is it worthwhile for the Reds if they could get Greene for a couple of B prospects with the Padres not paying any of Greene's salary? I'm not so sure.
It makes sense if Walt figures Greene is a good rebound candidate and if Walt would like to keep the guy around longterm. But for a one year rental, with AGon still hanging around in a meaningless year? Makes no sense.
I really think that AGon is immovable, which further complicates things.
Still, I don't see Greene as a headcase. I think the Padres poisoned the well. I think he's a great candidate for a change of scenery. Remember Edmunds was considered a problem child before he arrived in StL. Worth a roll of the dice if the Reds would be willing to pony up for the guy after this year (if he bounced back). It's not as if the Reds have a good longterm SS alternative.
Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
Then how about:
-- Cincinnati dealing B prospect a Sam LeCure type for Greene, then sending AGon (along with Freel) and a couple better prospects to Detroit for Ordonez.
San Diego grabs salary relief, as does Detroit, while the Reds add talent essentially for free.
The prospects would come from a list below the Top 15 or so.
At least one starting arm-- I'm thinking a Maloney and/ or a Ramirez--
One near-ready bullpen arm-- perhaps a Fisher or a Roenicke
And one position player-- maybe Cozart or even Janish could fit the bill.
Helps all three teams, IMO.
"You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat."
-- Christy Matthewson
"Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot."
-- Leo Durocher
Players coming off serious injuries have zero value until they prove they're healthy and able to play well.then sending AGon (along with Freel)
"Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini
Ordonez is not what the Reds need IMO.
- He turns 35 in January. So he's not a long term solution.
- He's been durable over the last three seasons, but left the country prior to that for surgery that he couldn't get done in the U.S. While it has been a success, his risk for injury coupled with his age makes him a dubious pickup.
- His D last year wasn't very good. Of his 146 games played, 12 games he was a DH or PH.
- Offensively the last 5 years he's had exactly one season better than Adam Dunn who would only cost the Reds money and not talent. Yes, I am beating the Dunn drum again.
Suck it up cupcake.
Boras is saying the Tigers won't trade Ordonez.