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    Ba 2008 elias ratings

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...08/267137.html

    The Elias Sports Bureau statistical rankings have been released, so we can take our first look at which free agents could command draft-pick compensation this offseason.

    Players who rate in the top 20 percent of their position group (catchers; first basemen, outfielders and DHs; second basemen, third basemen and shortstops; starting pitchers; and relief pitchers) are designated as Type A. Players who rank in the 21-40 percent bracket are designated as Type B.

    If a Type A or B free agent's former club offers him arbitration, then it will receive compensation if he signs elsewhere. Type A free agents yield the signing team's first-round choice and a supplemental first-rounder, while Type Bs return only the sandwich-rounder. Clubs who finished in the bottom half of the major league standings can't surrender their first-round selection, and compensation picks for failure to sign draftees from the previous year can't change hands either.

    With that out of the way, below are the potential Type A and B free agents by position (listed in order of Elias ranking). Not all of these players have filed for free agency yet.

    Potential Type A Free Agents
    Catchers: Jason Varitek (Bos).
    First Basemen: Mark Teixeira (LAA).
    Second Basemen: Orlando Hudson (Ari).
    Shortstops: Orlando Cabrera (CWS), Edgar Renteria (Det).
    Outfielders: Manny Ramirez (LAD), Raul Ibanez (Sea), Bob Abreu (NYY), Adam Dunn (Ari), Pat Burrell (Phi), Brian Giles (SD).
    Starting Pitchers: C.C. Sabathia (Mil), A.J. Burnett (Tor), Andy Pettitte (NYY), Mike Mussina (NYY), Ben Sheets (Mil), Oliver Perez (NYM), Derek Lowe (LAD), Jamie Moyer (Phi).
    Relief Pitchers: Francisco Rodriguez (LAA), Brian Fuentes (Col), Russ Springer (StL), Damaso Marte (NYY), Ryan Dempster (ChC), Juan Cruz (Ari), Kerry Wood (ChC), Trevor Hoffman (SD), Doug Brocail (Hou), Darren Oliver (LAA), Bob Howry (ChC).
    Potential Type B Free Agents
    Catchers: Ivan Rodriguez (NYY), Greg Zaun (Tor), Paul LoDuca (Fla).
    Second Basemen: Jeff Kent (LAD), Juan Uribe (CWS), Mark Loretta (Hou), Mark Grudzielanek (KC).
    Third Basemen: Casey Blake (LAD), Hank Blalock (Tex).
    Outfielders: Garret Anderson (LAA), Moises Alou (NYM), Ken Griffey Jr. (CWS), Luis Gonzalez (Fla), Mike Cameron (Mil).
    Designated Hitters: Milton Bradley (Tex), Frank Thomas (Oak).
    Starting Pitchers: John Smoltz (Atl), Brad Penny (LAD), Jon Garland (LAA), Randy Wolf (Hou), Paul Byrd (Bos), Greg Maddux (LAD), Braden Looper (StL), Randy Johnson (Ari).
    Relief Pitchers: Alan Embree (Oak), Brian Shouse (Mil), Jason Isringhausen (StL), Dave Weathers (Cin), Brandon Lyon (Ari), Salomon Torres (Mil), Jeremy Affeldt (Cin), Arthur Rhodes (Fla), Joe Beimel (LAD), LaTroy Hawkins (Hou), Dennys Reyes (Min), Rudy Seanez (Phi), Luis Ayala (NYM), Eric Gagne (Mil).

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    Re: Ba 2008 elias ratings

    Well I def. do not think Orlando Cabrera, Burrell, Ibanez, Abreu, Lowe and Perez, whom many posters on here have been throwing around we sign, is worth our 1st pick. Actually there is only maybe 2 or 3 guys: Ramierez, CC and Teixeira that are. So here is my question:

    After the Yankees sign 3 or 4 type A free agents how does that work?

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    Re: Ba 2008 elias ratings

    Quote Originally Posted by nemesis View Post
    Well I def. do not think Orlando Cabrera, Burrell, Ibanez, Abreu, Lowe and Perez, whom many posters on here have been throwing around we sign, is worth our 1st pick. Actually there is only maybe 2 or 3 guys: Ramierez, CC and Teixeira that are. So here is my question:

    After the Yankees sign 3 or 4 type A free agents how does that work?
    The Reds won't have to give up their first round pick anyways. If you pick 15th or sooner, you don't lose your first round pick.

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    Re: Ba 2008 elias ratings

    The Elias system is so screwed up. It really messes up the leverage players have in free agency, particularly relievers. It's one thing if you're Mark Teixeira and it's worth it for a team to lose a first round pick. But what team wants to give up that pick for Russ Spring or Doug Brocail? It really encourages to sign back with their original team on a 1 year deal.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Ba 2008 elias ratings

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The Reds won't have to give up their first round pick anyways. If you pick 15th or sooner, you don't lose your first round pick.
    And that's a fairly compelling reason to make a big signing. What you'd hate to see is the opportunity wasted on somebody like Rentaria or Varitek.

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    Re: Ba 2008 elias ratings

    Quote Originally Posted by kpresidente View Post
    And that's a fairly compelling reason to make a big signing. What you'd hate to see is the opportunity wasted on somebody like Rentaria or Varitek.
    That's why you don't run right out and sign one of them. If you have interest you wait until the deadline for offering arbitration has passed to see if they get offered. And those 2 aren't likely to be offered it.
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    Re: Ba 2008 elias ratings

    Why is this in Minor League Talk?

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    Re: Ba 2008 elias ratings

    I wasn't sure where to put the article because major league players but also what draft pick compensation also.

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    Re: Ba 2008 elias ratings

    Quote Originally Posted by nemesis View Post
    Well I def. do not think Orlando Cabrera, Burrell, Ibanez, Abreu, Lowe and Perez, whom many posters on here have been throwing around we sign, is worth our 1st pick. Actually there is only maybe 2 or 3 guys: Ramierez, CC and Teixeira that are. So here is my question:

    After the Yankees sign 3 or 4 type A free agents how does that work?
    i'm pretty sure that the team that loses the best player gets the 1st round pick.
    "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."


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