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    Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    They've sweetened their offer by agreeing to trade Samardzija, a key component that the Padres wanted in the deal.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns
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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    Its amazing that the cubs can continue to offer their junk and teams seem to be ok with it.

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    Yeah Cedeno and Pie are pretty crappy. Marshall has some upside, but his numbers in the big leagues have not been great.
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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    They've sweetened their offer by agreeing to trade Samardzija, a key component that the Padres wanted in the deal.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns
    They can offer Samardzija all they want, he doesn't have to go. That's what they get for including a no-trade clause in his contract

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    Peavy, Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, and maybe Dempster... Jesus Christ.

    Look out boys. It might be 2012 before anyone, let alone the Reds, can compete in this division.
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    Couple this with Holliday possibly going to the Cards and it gets bleak for Reds fans. I know you shouldnt be reactive when it comes to moves, but these rumors definitely put me in the "do something" camp for the Reds, as opposed to the "do nothing til 2010" camp.
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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    Quote Originally Posted by schmidty622 View Post
    Peavy, Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, and maybe Dempster... Jesus Christ.

    Look out boys. It might be 2012 before anyone, let alone the Reds, can compete in this division.
    ...And they will STILL find a way to lose when it really counts (the Playoffs)
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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    They've sweetened their offer by agreeing to trade Samardzija, a key component that the Padres wanted in the deal.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns
    This article says nothing about the Cubs offering Samardzija; just that the Padres wanted him, he has a NTC, and will not waive it under any circumstances. I think the Cubs being involved in the talks may just be a charade to give Towers leverage with the Braves and to sucker Cub fans into getting excited again (it's working).
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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    The Braves need him more and have more to offer. I wish the Reds would get involved in either the Peavy or Holiday sweepstakes. I thought they should have tried to get Harden when he was up for grabs. Either be in it to win now or firesale all the high contracts. You can't be stuck in the middle.
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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    Quote Originally Posted by Newman4 View Post
    The Braves need him more and have more to offer. I wish the Reds would get involved in either the Peavy or Holiday sweepstakes. I thought they should have tried to get Harden when he was up for grabs. Either be in it to win now or firesale all the high contracts. You can't be stuck in the middle.
    Except the only big contracts left now are Arroyo and Harang, maybe Phillips. These are all guys who are worth the money. That plus the young cheap Fab Four makes a fire sale unnecessary. They're doing the right thing, IMO, by proceeding carefully and looking for ways to upgrade cheaply, knowing they have decent in-house options in place if no such opportunities arise. Meanwhile, the young talent will get better and better and they may find themselves one big move away before you know it.
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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    Quote Originally Posted by shredda2000 View Post
    ...And they will STILL find a way to lose when it really counts (the Playoffs)
    I'd rather be in the playoffs and lose than be in the position that the Reds are currently in.
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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    i love all the knee jerk reactions to rumours. yeah peavy would help the cubs but a bunch of their pitchers could easily have bad years next year. zambrano is still way too emotional. harden is very injury prone to the point they could only count on him for 5-6 ip each time out. lilly has never been known as an ace. dempster had one nice year after a bunch of mediocre years. plus peavys stats could suffer without 15+ starts in petco. they'll probably be the favorites but i definitely wouldn't award them the division title before the season even starts.

    holliday may be dealt to st louis, and he's actually done very well in busch stadium albeit in a very small amount of abs (39). but if the rumours are correct one of the players that the cardinals would deal for him had 30+ hrs and 100+ rbi last year. so i'm not sure he'd be THAT much of an improvement over what they had in '09. but he'd definitely add alot of money to their payroll.

    imo, if the reds decide to not stay on the same track and make rash moves on a whim instead they still won't be the favorites to win the division in '09 and could hurt their chances in 2010. the youth movement is the correct path for the reds and with the wildcard it doesn't really matter who wins the division anymore. frustration breeds pessimism, optimists tend to do better. and i'm optimistic that if the reds aren't in the mix in '09, they WILL be in the mix in 2010. don't lose faith people.
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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    I'm really stuck in the middle on this issue. It stinks to watch your Divisional rivals go after necessary pieces/players year after year, while we (Reds) keep kicking the tires on re-tread players that few others want. OTOH, player development is essential. The Cards, especially, seem to be able to both develop players AND go after big names when they need them. What are we doing wrong? Is this where WJ is trying to get to? Knee jerk reaction? I don't think so. It's trying to stay competitive NOW. I don't know about you, but I'm tired of finishing somewhere between 3rd and last place year after year, with no hope of gaining on the rest of the Division. We seem to be in that perpetual "next year" rut year after year.

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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    Quote Originally Posted by Old NDN View Post
    I'm really stuck in the middle on this issue. It stinks to watch your Divisional rivals go after necessary pieces/players year after year, while we (Reds) keep kicking the tires on re-tread players that few others want. OTOH, player development is essential. The Cards, especially, seem to be able to both develop players AND go after big names when they need them. What are we doing wrong? Is this where WJ is trying to get to? Knee jerk reaction? I don't think so. It's trying to stay competitive NOW. I don't know about you, but I'm tired of finishing somewhere between 3rd and last place year after year, with no hope of gaining on the rest of the Division. We seem to be in that perpetual "next year" rut year after year.

    Good post. I am also tired of finishing in the bottom.

    On one hand, I can see the youth movement improving our chances. OTOH, I am sick and tired of everyone else spending $100 million and making the playoffs.

    Money doesn't always buy a pennant, and many frugal clubs still manage to make the playoffs. But typically you have to spend to get anywhere.

    I don't want knee-jerk reaction moves, but I also get sick of doing nothing.
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    Re: Cubs boldly going after Peavy

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    i love all the knee jerk reactions to rumours. yeah peavy would help the cubs but a bunch of their pitchers could easily have bad years next year. zambrano is still way too emotional. harden is very injury prone to the point they could only count on him for 5-6 ip each time out. lilly has never been known as an ace. dempster had one nice year after a bunch of mediocre years. plus peavys stats could suffer without 15+ starts in petco. they'll probably be the favorites but i definitely wouldn't award them the division title before the season even starts.
    I see that as the key to the cubs success this year. If he has his typical year (4.55 ERA and 1.49 WHIP Compared to 2.96 ERA, which is a career high I might add, and 1.21 WHIP), then the Cubs are in no way nearly as good. They still might've win the division, but they would not win 97 games.
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