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    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Maybe 40 years of watching the game is worth something. It is easier to put that experience into practice when its not one of my teams. I didn't even know that happened until visiting here this morning. Minnesota at home, I sure wasn't thinking that. Man, was just reading a very nasty article about Tubby yesterday afternoon.
    Maybe, although I still don't think Hoosier fans have less perspective on what this team is likely to accomplish. In fact we've all seemed to agree on the relative ceiling. However, I think you misinterpreted IU fans celebrating an NCAA tournament berth after 3 years of desolation. In your mind when IU fans were getting optimistic, it was because we thought there was a legitimate title run in the offering.
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    My latest post deals with one of my absolute pet peeves of college athletics.

    http://www.crimsoncast.com/2012/01/p...ersity-take-2/
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    That was a bummer. It's hard to temper expectations after the great run so far. And it's not so much losing to Minnesota, it's losing to them at home. I would have been more okay with this on the road. And it doesn't help that Ohio State in Columbus is up next. They sure would redeem themselves if they won this game though.

    IU has got to stop turning the ball over so much. It's seriously going to kill them. The rebounding was poor too, but I don't know how much they can do about that. It's not as easy to fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    My latest post deals with one of my absolute pet peeves of college athletics.

    http://www.crimsoncast.com/2012/01/p...ersity-take-2/
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    I think this win is exactly what IU needed. They are still a young team and have been winning recently with very sloppy ball handling and defense. You won't win in the tournament depending on 66% 3pt%. Comparing the defensive effort to what they turned in against clearly superior teams (OSU/UK) with what they did against inferior (Penn St/Minn) is night and day. Maybe this is the wake up call they need. #lookingforsomesortofsilverlining
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    Don’t be that guy. Don’t be the fan who celebrates every win but deflects every loss with “well wait until our recruits come up next year” You know who that guy is? That guy’s a Kentucky fan who is used to seeing his team assemble the best talent money can buy recruited to stay at the school for one year and be replaced by the next 5 star recruit in line.
    Completely unfair to fans of those universities and to the universities themselves.

    It's also a cheap shot that should be above the writer.

    You do know that IU has been in trouble twice-- serious trouble, BTW-- since Kentucky last was questioned by the NCAA. Both times for recruiting violations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    My latest post deals with one of my absolute pet peeves of college athletics.

    http://www.crimsoncast.com/2012/01/p...ersity-take-2/
    A lot of potshots taken in that article. Sounds like small thinking to me. I would imagine the reason you root for the Hoosiers is because of the big deal that Knight made IU basketball.
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    Wow, Hoosier Red, that's some bush league stuff from you. Thought you were better than that.

    How's that Indiana Elite relationship working out for Crean?

    Wow. Again, totally bush league from you.
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    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    It's funny how easily that Indiana "holier than thou" world view comes out.

    RMK would be proud of you, Hoosier Red.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Wow, Hoosier Red, that's some bush league stuff from you. Thought you were better than that.

    How's that Indiana Elite relationship working out for Crean?

    Wow. Again, totally bush league from you.
    What? I crossed it out It's a cheap shot meant to be taken as a joke.

    I do think that the fans sell a bit of their soul when they get too excited about the next class of recruits, and when you continuously turn over your program the way Calipari(and others) have, there's no choice but to continuously be pushing for the next class.

    In an ideal world, there's a connection in college sports that you don't have in the pros. And I think a little bit of that goes away when a guy comes to school for one year or two and is out the door.

    I don't discourage the player from leaving. I don't really discourage a coach from pursuing a top player who will leave after one year. But just as I find it bad form to cheer for a coach being fired, I find it poor form to be excited about an outgoing senior leaving the court so some guy who's not done anything for the university yet can take his place.

    I especially find it distasteful to cheer that a guy who has given as much as anyone in this particular senior class is going to be gone.
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    Wow, Kentucky fans sure seem thin skinned! But while we're at it, Cal is hardly a model citizen.

    Camby speaks for itself.

    I think hiring Dajuan Wagner's dad was questionable, though I'm sure UK fans will try to point to the fact that he was there after Wagner declared for the NBA. Hiring Tyreke Evans' strength coach was questionable too.

    I think Cal tried to pull a fast one with Kanter. The fact that he continued to maintain he was an amateur despite the benefits received prior solidified that.

    Then you have Dozier and Rose. I won't put that all on Cal, but it happened on his watch and you can't ignore that when you consider all of the other questions surrounding Cal.

    I think it's also strange that Cal would try to celebrate 500 wins with 2 vacated seasons. It reeks of either ignorance or arrogance. Which was it?

    Anyone remember Dan Garcia as well? What a nice guy Cal is!

    I would be shocked if it doesn't come out that Cal has more scandals. He just reeks of a slimy guy, my personal opinion.

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    Wow, Kentucky fans sure seem thin skinned! But while we're at it, Cal is hardly a model citizen.

    Camby speaks for itself.

    I think hiring Dajuan Wagner's dad was questionable, though I'm sure UK fans will try to point to the fact that he was there after Wagner declared for the NBA. Hiring Tyreke Evans' strength coach was questionable too.

    I think Cal tried to pull a fast one with Kanter. The fact that he continued to maintain he was an amateur despite the benefits received prior solidified that.

    Then you have Dozier and Rose. I won't put that all on Cal, but it happened on his watch and you can't ignore that when you consider all of the other questions surrounding Cal.

    I think it's also strange that Cal would try to celebrate 500 wins with 2 vacated seasons. It reeks of either ignorance or arrogance. Which was it?

    Anyone remember Dan Garcia as well? What a nice guy Cal is!

    I would be shocked if it doesn't come out that Cal has more scandals. He just reeks of a slimy guy, my personal opinion.
    Perfect example of an Indiana fan right there.

    Do you know that Indiana has only beaten Kentucky 5 times in the last 21 meetings?

    Keep whining about Cal, though, it suits you.

    Let me guess, you worship Bobby Knight? One of the worst human beings walking this planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Perfect example of an Indiana fan right there.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Wow, Kentucky fans sure seem thin skinned! But while we're at it, Cal is hardly a model citizen.

    Camby speaks for itself.

    I think hiring Dajuan Wagner's dad was questionable, though I'm sure UK fans will try to point to the fact that he was there after Wagner declared for the NBA. Hiring Tyreke Evans' strength coach was questionable too.

    I think Cal tried to pull a fast one with Kanter. The fact that he continued to maintain he was an amateur despite the benefits received prior solidified that.

    Then you have Dozier and Rose. I won't put that all on Cal, but it happened on his watch and you can't ignore that when you consider all of the other questions surrounding Cal.

    I think it's also strange that Cal would try to celebrate 500 wins with 2 vacated seasons. It reeks of either ignorance or arrogance. Which was it?

    Anyone remember Dan Garcia as well? What a nice guy Cal is!

    I would be shocked if it doesn't come out that Cal has more scandals. He just reeks of a slimy guy, my personal opinion.
    And your personal opinion means absolutely nothing.

    Again, Calipari has NEVER been in trouble with the NCAA, has never been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

    And it's not like they're looking the other way-- Yahoo Sports investigators and at least one other reporter spent six months looking this past year after the Kanter deal and the allegations of a $200,000 payment to Anthony Davis' father were attributed to an unnamed college coach.

    They found nothing.

    As to the "allegations" you're spewing:

    The Camby case does indeed speak for itself. Calipari was the one who turned in his star player. He noticed the new threads, the nice jewelry, asked the kid (who then tearfully told him what had happened), then told the NCAA. Some coaches-- like, oh, the last one at Indiana-- would have kept that to themselves.

    If hiring a Dad so that his son could play at a college is odious, is Calipari the only one you'll dog about that, or are you also going to get on Larry Brown and about a hundred other NCAA coaches as well? Would it change your mind at all if you knew that Calipari kept Milt Wagner on his staff for years after his son left? For that matter, as to Dejuan Wagner, you do know that Calipari insisted the kid go pro rather than stay another year in college? He knew it would affect his team negatively, yet he went so far as to tear up Wagner's scholarship papers.

    Kanter has been covered ad nauseum. Others that were paid were considered amateurs. The only difference between Kanter and others was that Kanter's father physically took the money from the professional team rather than allowing for tutors as necessary expenses.

    The 500 win brouhaha is all on the NCAA and UK. There was no real celebration-- he received a game ball, it was announced in front of the home team fans after the game, and he went on with his typical after-game gig. There was no cake, no huge spectacle, none of that. That the NCAA "hammered" Kentucky for it, BTW, proves the point that Calipari couldn't get away with "being slimy"; if they'd send a seven-page letter on this, what would they actually do if he were guilty of serious allegations?

    Finally, I'm not thin-skinned about Calipari. I'm thin-skinned about people who throw around allegations without an ounce of proof. Then act like it's someone else who has the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post

    Keep whining about Cal, though, it suits you.

    Let me guess, you worship Bobby Knight? One of the worst human beings walking this planet.
    Cal is of questionable ethics.

    Bob Knight while a complete and out of control jerk has done many good things for many people, plus I don't think that Adolph Rupp was ever going to win any awards for being a great human either, He had how many black players?
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