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    Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    mlbtraderumors.com has a blurb from Jayson Stark that the Reds are quietly listening on Bronson Arroyo and that the Rangers may be interested. Hmmmmmm
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    Hamilton for Arroyo....

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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    The only way I trade Arroyo is if the Reds net a big return. From the Rangers I'd demand Nelson Cruz and a prospect or Elvis Andrus + Max Ramirez.
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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    The only way I trade Arroyo is if the Reds net a big return. From the Rangers I'd demand Nelson Cruz and a prospect or Elvis Andrus + Max Ramirez.
    If we got Cruz or Andrus for Arroyo, I'd be will to accept Laird instead of Ramirez or Teagarden. I'd love to see them sweeten the deal and land Cruz, Andrus and Laird or Ramierez, but I don't see the Rangers dealing Andrus.


    I'd be fine with a deal built around Cruz and Laird for Arroyo, but I'm scared it will be Arroyo straight-up for Laird.

    If they do deal Arroyo, they should be in the market for at least one starter.

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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    The only way I trade Arroyo is if the Reds net a big return. From the Rangers I'd demand Nelson Cruz and a prospect or Elvis Andrus + Max Ramirez.
    Walt is known to be looking for things the Rangers have. The Rangers are known to be looking for things the Reds have. Remember Walt tried to get Cruz before the trade deadline. Andrus fills a need, Ramirez fills a need, Teagarden fills a need, and Hank Blalock may fill a need. Lots of interesting ideas there.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    Arroyo, Cordero or Phillips could all be traded in the right deal. Not a salary dump. A deal in which the Reds come out on top and fill a major need ( young shortstop for instance ). The Reds came in 5th last year and haven't had a winning season in years. No one should be untouchable except the young studs.
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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    Arroyo and Encarnacion for Blalock and Teagarden? Blalock is signed for 6.2 million next season and Teagarden gives us a nice young catcher to go with Hanigan. We would need another pitcher though... Randy Johnson just filed for Free agency... hmmmm.
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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    I'm not sure if Cruz is available.. There's been rumors he may go to play in Japan. If he isn't then I would demand Cruz, Laird, and a mid level pitching prospect.
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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    What about Arroyo + Phillips + Bailey for Cruz + Teagarden + Andrus?

    Then, the Reds sign Derek Lowe and/or Mark Mulder and they are all set for 2009 while they wait for the cavalry to arrive: Valaika, Alonso, Stubbs and Frazier. I actually think this lineup could be relatively competitive:

    Freel/Hairston CF
    Votto 1B
    Bruce RF
    Encarnacion 3B
    Cruz LF
    Keppinger (Valaika) 2B
    Gonzalez (Andrus) SS
    Hanigan/Teagarden C
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    Now is the time to deal Bronson and Brandon for this kind of return. They are both only going to get more expensive, Bronson seems perpetually on the verge of breaking down, and Brandon has the added luster of a GG this off-season.

    I would think Walt would also willingly part with Bailey in a deal that could net both Teagarden and Andrus, who both feel dire needs up the middle.

    That makes 2009 a competitive transition year. EdE gets one more season alongside A-Gon to prove/disprove his ability at 3B. Kepp and Gonzalez are one-season stop-gaps while Valaika and Andrus percolate in AAA. Lowe/Mulder provide the veteran leadership role vacated by Arroyo. Bruce, Votto, Volquez and Cueto have one more season to mature. Then, the roster is set for a reshuffling in 2010 with the arrival of potential starters at 1B, 3B, 2B and OF.
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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    Reference the sig line courtesy of jojo people. Adding four players to each side of the trade does not make it a more reasonable proposal.

    I highly doubt the Rangers will deal Andrus. Maybe we could get Cruz + Ramirez, but even that seems like a stretch; it would probably include Laird, sigh.

    Jocketty has spoken about the importance of being tight-lipped about trade rumors, so I doubt this thing has any legs...
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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    What about Arroyo + Phillips + Bailey for Cruz + Teagarden + Andrus?

    Then, the Reds sign Derek Lowe and/or Mark Mulder and they are all set for 2009 while they wait for the cavalry to arrive: Valaika, Alonso, Stubbs and Frazier. I actually think this lineup could be relatively competitive:

    Freel/Hairston CF
    Votto 1B
    Bruce RF
    Encarnacion 3B
    Cruz LF
    Keppinger (Valaika) 2B
    Gonazlez (Andrus) SS
    Hanigan/Teagarden C
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    Now is the time to deal Bronson and Brandon for this kind of return. They are both only going to get more expensive, Bronson seems perpetually on the verge of breaking down, and Brandon has the added luster of a GG this off-season.

    I would with Walt would also willingly part with Bailey in a deal that could net both Teagarden and Andrus, who both feel dire needs up the middle.
    Why would the Reds be filling needs up the middle while letting Phillips go? I'd be surprised if they did. More likely that EE would be included if an AL team is on the other end.

    I could see the Reds trading Arroyo, Bailey, Stubbs, and maybe another prospect (Valaika?) for a hitter, catcher and shortstop from the Rangers. I could also see Arroyo, EE, and Stubbs. Looks like a good matchup for a big multiplayer trade.

    With his U of Texas background, Stubbs would be a "natural" for inclusion in the deal.

    Then the Reds would go after AJ Burnett or Derrick Lowe, both good ground ball pitchers, although they could easily lose out because of dollars.
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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    What about Arroyo, Fransisco, and Bailey to Texas for Laird, Cruz, and Blalock. Then deal Edwin Encarnacion to the Giants for Johnaten Sanchez.
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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    You're giving up way too much for Laird and Cruz, and Blalock can't physically play 3B...
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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    Arroyo only goes if Andrus or Teagarden come back the other way.
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    Re: Reds listening on Bronson Arroyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    Arroyo only goes if Andrus or Teagarden come back the other way.
    It's not gonna happen then. He's not anywhere close to fetching those kinda prospects IMHO...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."


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