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    Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    I think any team would be thrilled to have him as a #3 quarterback. And give credit to Mike Brown, who traded only a 7th round pick to acquire him. However, he's had a little time to get comfortable with the first team offense, and the Bengals are still going nowhere on offense. I was just wondering what you all think of him.

    I think his accuracy is above average unless he's throwing for 20+ yards. He's completing a respectable 62.9% of his passes.

    The swiss cheese offensive line isn't his fault, but he still tries to run with the ball a little too often. It's better than forcing throws that result in interceptions, though. He's made some mistakes that weren't taken advantage of, and overall, I'm not impressed with his decision making. In some respects, he's practically a rookie, so I expect a big improvement from him there at some point.

    He averages 5.00 yards per attempt. That is, by far, the worst in the NFL. Once again, it's not completely his fault--without a run game, the field doesn't open up much--but I think his physical tools, which have always been the knock against him, really limit him. In fact, his longest completion is an embarrassing 26 yards. And only Jeff Garcia and Matt Hasselbeck have a lower touchdown percentage.

    Anyway, I'd grade him at a C+. He hasn't hurt the team in many situations, but he hasn't helped too much either aside from an occasional scramble. He's kind of a typical care-taker quarterback, but I think he could be an average quarterback if the offensive line were more adjusted to his style of play.

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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    I don't think he's a "good" backup quarterback. But then again, he's not as bad as some backup's we've seen run out there. He falls somewhere in the middle in my mind. His biggest downfall, as you pointed out, is his absolute inability to get the ball down the field.

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    Good backup? Sure. The purpose of a backup QB is to have a guy that can fill in for the starter and do an ok job. Fitz can do that. Any team that loses it's franchise starting QB is going to be in a world of hurt.

    If the team could actually run the ball capably Fitz would be putting up better numbers, and the team likely would have at least 2 more wins (Cleveland and Philly). This team was going to hover around .500 at full health. Take away Carson and that lowered the win total by at least 3 right off the bat. Some other injuries and opponents flat out not respecting the Bengals passing game has made the Bengals a 2-3 win team tops.
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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    He is a good enough back up. Look around the league there isnt many good back ups.

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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    I don't think he's a good #2 QB and I'd like to see him not re-signed in the off season. All he can do is run the ball and throw short 5 yd passes. He lacks arm strength to run this vertical offense and he is horrible at hitting wide open WRs deep. The Press has given him a pass but he is part of the problem.

    I'd like to see what Jordan Palmer can do. The way I see it, using Fitz is a no win situation. If he excells he prices himself out of what Mike Brown will pay and he'll walk. If he stinks then we don't want him back anyway. Let's hope Jordan gets a chance before this lost season is over.

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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I don't think he's a good #2 QB and I'd like to see him not re-signed in the off season. All he can do is run the ball and throw short 5 yd passes. He lacks arm strength to run this vertical offense and he is horrible at hitting wide open WRs deep. The Press has given him a pass but he is part of the problem.

    I'd like to see what Jordan Palmer can do. The way I see it, using Fitz is a no win situation. If he excells he prices himself out of what Mike Brown will pay and he'll walk. If he stinks then we don't want him back anyway. Let's hope Jordan gets a chance before this lost season is over.
    I pretty much agree with that although I think Jordan Palmer would be in over his head right now. Additionally, I'm not sure how much arm strength he possesses.

    Most #2 QBs are there to play an occassional down or series but only in the worst case scenario are they there to take the majority of the snaps in any given year.

    Of course, the Bengals being the Bengals means that worst case scenarios happen to them with the regularity of winter following fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by remdog View Post
    I pretty much agree with that although I think Jordan Palmer would be in over his head right now. Additionally, I'm not sure how much arm strength he possesses.

    Most #2 QBs are there to play an occassional down or series but only in the worst case scenario are they there to take the majority of the snaps in any given year.

    Of course, the Bengals being the Bengals means that worst case scenarios happen to them with the regularity of winter following fall.

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    Physically, Jordan is very much like his brother. I think we'll see plenty of arm strength. Whether he'd be in over his head, I don't know. I have to believe he could do what Fitz is doing...look for a receiver...if he's not open run it.

    My point is this. This team is headed for a 1-3 win season. It makes little difference how many wins they accrue. If Fitzpatrick leaves after this year, what was the point in him starting all those games? How did that benefit the franchise? Let's give Jordan a chance to run this offense. If he learns something from it, great. It'll benefit the franchise in the long run. If he really isn't very good, let's find that out now.

    The only reason I can see to keep playing Fitzpatrick is if they feel whoever is playing will get "killed" back there and why subject Jordan to that. Let the mobile guy dodge the hits and if he gets hurt, he's a FA anyway.

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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    Based on the limited amount I've seen Jordan Palmer play, I believe he'd be an interception machine in the NFL. He's got the tools to be good, though. It's just a matter of decision making. Personally, I have higher hopes for Jeff Rowe (which isn't saying much), who is on the practice squad.

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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    Right now, given the Bengals mangled O-Line, I would say Fitzpatrick is better suited for running this offense than Carson.

    At least with Fitzpatrick you have a QB who can take off running once the pocket collapses. Palmer is going to take the sack every single time.

    Don't misunderstand what I am saying, I think Palmer is a better QB than Fitzpatrick, just not suited to deal with what Fitzpatrick is dealing with.

    Fitzpatrick reminds me of Jon Kitna with more mobility.
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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    Right now, given the Bengals mangled O-Line, I would say Fitzpatrick is better suited for running this offense than Carson.

    At least with Fitzpatrick you have a QB who can take off running once the pocket collapses. Palmer is going to take the sack every single time.

    Don't misunderstand what I am saying, I think Palmer is a better QB than Fitzpatrick, just not suited to deal with what Fitzpatrick is dealing with.

    Fitzpatrick reminds me of Jon Kitna with more mobility.
    No offense, but this is asinine. Fitzpatrick is averaging 3.9 yards per pass play, which is easily worst in the NFL. To put that number in perspective, the league average is 6.1. Since Fitzpatrick took over, the Bengals have the worst offense in the NFL and it's not even close.

    Saying Fitzpatrick is better suited than Palmer for ANYTHING is ridiculous.
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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    Quote Originally Posted by Playadlc View Post
    No offense, but this is asinine. Fitzpatrick is averaging 3.9 yards per pass play, which is easily worst in the NFL. To put that number in perspective, the league average is 6.1. Since Fitzpatrick took over, the Bengals have the worst offense in the NFL and it's not even close.

    Saying Fitzpatrick is better suited than Palmer for ANYTHING is ridiculous.
    Fitzpatrick is better suited for Harvard than Carson Palmer, but that's about it.
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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    Fitzpatrick reminds me of Jon Kitna with more mobility.

    I hear what you're saying but I think there's another difference. Kitna makes much quicker decisions in the pocket. Kitna is not a good starting QB but he's an above avg #2.

    In my opinion, Fitzpatrick is a below avg #2 QB in this league and you can pretty well deduce what I think of him starting every week...:

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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    In my opinion, Fitzpatrick is a below avg #2 QB in this league and you can pretty well deduce what I think of him starting every week...:

    But......you have to admit that he's doing his best to get the Bengals the #1 pick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by remdog View Post
    But......you have to admit that he's doing his best to get the Bengals the #1 pick!

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    That's a good point. He's a true team player.

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    Re: Ryan Fitzpatrick: Is he a good backup quarterback?

    I wonder how Casey Bramlet or Scott Wilhelm would do in this offense?
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