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  • Alex Buchholz

    7 6.36%
  • Dallas Buck

    4 3.64%
  • Zach Cozart

    16 14.55%
  • Carlos Fisher

    6 5.45%
  • Ryan Hanigan

    3 2.73%
  • Chris Heisey

    9 8.18%
  • Sean Henry

    1 0.91%
  • Evan Hildenbrandt

    2 1.82%
  • Jeremy Horst

    0 0%
  • Ben Jukich

    0 0%
  • Sam Lecure

    0 0%
  • Matt Maloney

    9 8.18%
  • Ramon Ramirez

    31 28.18%
  • Adam Rosales

    3 2.73%
  • Juan Carlos Sulbaran

    9 8.18%
  • Justin Turner

    5 4.55%
  • Pedro Viola

    1 0.91%
  • Brandon Waring

    1 0.91%
  • Travis Wood

    3 2.73%
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    Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Redszone's Top Prospects

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    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    I went with Ramon Ramirez slightly over Carlos Fisher. I actually voted Fisher one spot ahead of Ramirez in my personal top 40, but after thinking about it I chose to flip them. I like Fisher a lot, I think he's gonna make an outstanding reliever, but I went with Ramirez since he's a starter and has already had some success in the major leagues.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Travis Wood?

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by BearcatShane View Post
    Travis Wood?
    What about him?
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    What about him?
    Why no inclusion over the likes of Jukich?
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Why no inclusion over the likes of Jukich?
    I included Travis Wood. He's the last player listed since it's in alphabetical order.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I included Travis Wood. He's the last player listed since it's in alphabetical order.
    Ah, that's what we get when we assume, I saw the post and just assumed he didn't make the list. I didn't look to hard for him due to knowing who I was gonna vote for this time.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    I voted Ramirez

    BTW I'm keeping my eye on Eymann his defense is seemingly good enough to play a viable major league SS unless someone knows something I don't. His bat was awful up until this season which I thought was probably a bit flukish until I looked closer at the #'s. He cut down his K's from up around 100 (his avg the past 3 seasons) down to 65 this season and his BA and Slg% jumped 50+ points. It's still soon to be sure but it looks as though he may have turned a corner and has actually improved his ability to make contact, stay tuned.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    I voted Ramirez

    BTW I'm keeping my eye on Eymann his defense is seemingly good enough to play a viable major league SS unless someone knows something I don't. His bat was awful up until this season which I thought was probably a bit flukish until I looked closer at the #'s. He cut down his K's from up around 100 (his avg the past 3 seasons) down to 65 this season and his BA and Slg% jumped 50+ points. It's still soon to be sure but it looks as though he may have turned a corner and has actually improved his ability to make contact, stay tuned.
    Eymann had an interesting jump in his numbers this year. I think he's about as much of a shortstop as Adam Rosales, though. I don't think he should enter the conversation for the Reds' top-30 prospects, but if he performs in Louisville like he did in Chattanooga, he'll be particularly exciting to watch.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    I got Cozart here. Given his defense should be in the top fifteen or so.

    For the next round, please consider Jordan Smith and Sean Watson for the list.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Doug, please explain your reasoning for voting Carlos Fisher over Ramon Ramirez? (Just curious)
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Doug, please explain your reasoning for voting Carlos Fisher over Ramon Ramirez? (Just curious)
    I think that Fisher has the stuff to give you 70 quality innings every year for a long time. I think Ramirez can be a #4 starter for a few years, but won't last as long. I rank guys on what I feel their MLB career will be and the likelihood of reaching that. Both guys are around the same level as far as closeness, I just feel that Fisher can remain a very effective reliever for while longer than Ramirez can remain a quality starter.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I think that Fisher has the stuff to give you 70 quality innings every year for a long time. I think Ramirez can be a #4 starter for a few years, but won't last as long. I rank guys on what I feel their MLB career will be and the likelihood of reaching that. Both guys are around the same level as far as closeness, I just feel that Fisher can remain a very effective reliever for while longer than Ramirez can remain a quality starter.
    The way I see it is Ramirez has the ceiling to become a decent starter, while Fisher is limited to the bullpen. At the same time, I think Ramirez's floor is higher because at worst he will be a poor reliever. Fisher's ceiling is good setup man, with a floor somewhere in AAA. So it's possible that Ramirez ends up doing a better job than Fisher in the bullpen...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    The way I see it is Ramirez has the ceiling to become a decent starter, while Fisher is limited to the bullpen. At the same time, I think Ramirez's floor is higher because at worst he will be a poor reliever. Fisher's ceiling is good setup man, with a floor somewhere in AAA. So it's possible that Ramirez ends up doing a better job than Fisher in the bullpen...
    Possible, sure. But I don't think its very likely at all. Fisher's cieling is a very good reliever. Set up guy, long guy, closer... doesn't matter. His ceiling is that of a guy capable of 70 innings every year with a lot of strikeouts, a lot of groundballs, few HR's allowed and a low 3 ERA. I don't think that Ramirez can be that type of reliever.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Possible, sure. But I don't think its very likely at all. Fisher's cieling is a very good reliever. Set up guy, long guy, closer... doesn't matter. His ceiling is that of a guy capable of 70 innings every year with a lot of strikeouts, a lot of groundballs, few HR's allowed and a low 3 ERA. I don't think that Ramirez can be that type of reliever.
    Isn't Ramirez's biggest issue that he needs to improve his slider? A move to the pen would allow him to add a few MPH to that fastball and dominate with his changeup. I can easily see him being the exact same reliever you are describing as your model for Fisher.

    It's just my personal theory that starting pitching prospects go before relief pitchers unless they have the potential to be truly dominant--and Fisher will never be dominant IMO. But I respect your opinion Doug...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."


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